The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.

[Lace]

The April Jones, Jamie Bulger, Cannock Chase Murders and The Moors Murders were all random snatches.
We are being asked to believe that MM was targeted.
How about the "Targeted Snatch" proposers  write a list a list of essential activities required from 28th April 2007 to 3rd May 2007 to effect the job?
Let's start with how the child was targeted.
This will of course necessitate a client and his ability to assemble all the "labour plant and equipment" as it were in the right place at the right time to finish the job off. Also bear in mind if it's being done for cash the bloke who has the shekels know enough to kick the job off he did not get where he is by being daft.

There are other child abductions that have been planned,   Jaycee Dugard for one,   why Madeleine was targeted is anyone's guess.

[pathfinder73]

There are other child abductions that have been planned,   Jaycee Dugard for one,   why Madeleine was targeted is anyone's guess.

If they had planned it then all the loud crying from that apartment must have put them off. I still can't understand why the McCanns didn't demand the twins be tested if they wouldn't wake up. They said it was abnormal so their subsequent actions are also abnormal.

[Alice Purjorick]

There are other child abductions that have been planned,   Jaycee Dugard for one,   why Madeleine was targeted is anyone's guess.

So your theory, in the absence of any evidence as to what happened, is "well she must have been targeted cos at least one kid has been" without giving any thought to how it might have been accomplished?

[ShiningInLuz]

The April Jones, Jamie Bulger, Cannock Chase Murders and The Moors Murders were all random snatches.
We are being asked to believe that MM was targeted.
How about the "Targeted Snatch" proposers  write a list a list of essential activities required from 28th April 2007 to 3rd May 2007 to effect the job?
Let's start with how the child was targeted.
This will of course necessitate a client and his ability to assemble all the "labour plant and equipment" as it were in the right place at the right time to finish the job off. Also bear in mind if it's being done for cash the bloke who has the shekels know enough to kick the job off he did not get where he is by being daft.

Your time frame is wrong.

David Payne's rogatory makes it clear that whilst discussing the booking with MW he noted that MW was offering a discount.  From memory, the earliest capture of the site showing a discount is 8 Apr 2007, with no decent interim captures to fill in the details.

Up to the end of Feb, MW was offering early booking discounts.

So the booking was made vaguely around mid-March 2007.  I can't tie it tighter than that.

There was around 6 weeks to plan this.

Have a look at the MW booking sheet.  It itemises 8 children in the party, all under 4, 7 of them girls.  If the target was simply a white girl aged under 4, a perpetrator was spoiled for choice.

This was the first time in OC history that such advance knowledge of a choice of girls was available.

[Lace]

So your theory, in the absence of any evidence as to what happened, is "well she must have been targeted cos at least one kid has been" without giving any thought to how it might have been accomplished?

No,  I give one child as an example there have been more.   The fake charity collectors,  could have been out looking for a child,   one witness said that one man was more concerned about her children than about a donation from her.  Another said a man walked into her apartment and looked into a cot.

[Brietta]

Your time frame is wrong.

David Payne's rogatory makes it clear that whilst discussing the booking with MW he noted that MW was offering a discount.  From memory, the earliest capture of the site showing a discount is 8 Apr 2007, with no decent interim captures to fill in the details.

Up to the end of Feb, MW was offering early booking discounts.

So the booking was made vaguely around mid-March 2007.  I can't tie it tighter than that.

There was around 6 weeks to plan this.

Have a look at the MW booking sheet.  It itemises 8 children in the party, all under 4, 7 of them girls.  If the target was simply a white girl aged under 4, a perpetrator was spoiled for choice.

This was the first time in OC history that such advance knowledge of a choice of girls was available.

Therefore ALL with legitimate access to that information should have been questioned as a matter of course.

[ShiningInLuz]

Therefore ALL with legitimate access to that information should have been questioned as a matter of course.

From the list of people interviewed/arguidoed by OG this has not happened.

It did in the PJ effort, but I'm not seeing anything in the files to suggest they could join up the dots better than OG.

Have a look at who had access to the booking information.

Then have a think about who had access to the keys.

Then proceed to the relevant statements.  It's a bit of an eye opener.

[Alice Purjorick]

Your time frame is wrong.

David Payne's rogatory makes it clear that whilst discussing the booking with MW he noted that MW was offering a discount.  From memory, the earliest capture of the site showing a discount is 8 Apr 2007, with no decent interim captures to fill in the details.

Up to the end of Feb, MW was offering early booking discounts.

So the booking was made vaguely around mid-March 2007.  I can't tie it tighter than that.

There was around 6 weeks to plan this.

Have a look at the MW booking sheet.  It itemises 8 children in the party, all under 4, 7 of them girls.  If the target was simply a white girl aged under 4, a perpetrator was spoiled for choice.

This was the first time in OC history that such advance knowledge of a choice of girls was available.

Ah! so you think someone was planning the job for up to six weeks ahead which kind of presupposes it will not be a random snatch which you then seem to suggest later.
Do tell more of the perceived logistics in general terms that really would interest me. Preferably starting with how the victim was specified and identified.
The spoilt for choice bit don't really wash. Have you ever watched a hobby take a swallow from a flock?. By jingo is that hobby spoilt for choice but if it doesn't target it will go hungry.
So we have a random snatch six weeks in the planning (why?) or we have The Payne Party being targeted which is more sinister.

[jassi]

Have you posted what you believe happened to Madeleine?   or do you just ridicule others?

Oh that's easy,  I believe that Madeleine suffered some 'accident' that necessitated her disappearance.

[Lace]

Ah! so you think someone was planning the job for up to six weeks ahead which kind of presupposes it will not be a random snatch which you then seem to suggest later.
Do tell more of the perceived logistics in general terms that really would interest me. Preferably starting with how the victim was specified and identified.
The spoilt for choice bit don't really wash. Have you ever watched a hobby take a swallow from a flock?. By jingo is that hobby spoilt for choice but if it doesn't target it will go hungry.
So we have a random snatch six weeks in the planning (why?) or we have The Payne Party being targeted which is more sinister.

Officers are also seeking to track down the people behind a series of burglaries around the Ocean Club complex, mainly in the early months of 2007. There was also an incident almost exactly a year before the abduction when children in a ground-floor apartment saw an intruder break in through a patio door and stare into a travel cot, stealing nothing. Redwood said: "We're particularly interested in that event as to whether it has any resonance to the disappearance of Madeleine."

[jassi]

Officers are also seeking to track down the people behind a series of burglaries around the Ocean Club complex, mainly in the early months of 2007. There was also an incident almost exactly a year before the abduction when children in a ground-floor apartment saw an intruder break in through a patio door and stare into a travel cot, stealing nothing. Redwood said: "We're particularly interested in that event as to whether it has any resonance to the disappearance of Madeleine."

Another dead end, it would seem

[Lace]

Ah! so you think someone was planning the job for up to six weeks ahead which kind of presupposes it will not be a random snatch which you then seem to suggest later.
Do tell more of the perceived logistics in general terms that really would interest me. Preferably starting with how the victim was specified and identified.
The spoilt for choice bit don't really wash. Have you ever watched a hobby take a swallow from a flock?. By jingo is that hobby spoilt for choice but if it doesn't target it will go hungry.
So we have a random snatch six weeks in the planning (why?) or we have The Payne Party being targeted which is more sinister.

Why do you think it is not possible?    Please tell me why you think this may not have happened,   just saying it wouldn't isn't good enough.   I didn't say it was a random snatch,  they were looking for a child like Madeleine they found her and abducted her.

[Lace]

Oh that's easy,  I believe that Madeleine suffered some 'accident' that necessitated her disappearance.

Oh,  so no ideas of your own then.

[jassi]

Oh,  so no ideas of your own then.

Not that I care to share on here 

[Lace]

Not that I care to share on here 

Oh come on jassi spill,  you ridicule me enough.