Author Topic: The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.  (Read 288198 times)

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Offline Alice Purjorick

I'm surprised you can't work it out

What makes you think I haven't ?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

What makes you think I haven't ?

your posts

Offline Brietta

It's an interesting detail. Hypothetically if a criminal did open the shutter and window from outside, and then pulled a curtain aside, do you think he would be able to see, from outside, anything inside the room?

S/he would be listening and looking into a backlit room with a shard of light entering via the ajar door.  Madeleine's bed would be in shadow and it would not be immediately apparent that it was occupied.  One cot had an opaque back therefore the child sleeping in it could not be seen ... dependent on the angle of the light entering it is possible a soundly sleeping child might have been seen.
I don't think a person observing the room from the window and holding the curtain back to do so would have had a very clear view of the interior.

Had the window been opened from the outside with the intention of entering the residence I am of the opinion entry would have been effected.

I don't think that is what happened.  I think a key was used.

However, had an intruder entered via the patio door and been disturbed when Madeleine's father unexpectedly turned up ... it might have been opened as an escape route ... but I don't think it was an escape route either.
If the patio door was the entry ... the wooden door was the exit ... the open window being the contingency emergency exit.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

your posts

That says more about your lack of knowledge rather than mine.
Maybe you should make a better investment.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

That says more about your lack of knowledge rather than mine.
Maybe you should make a better investment.

i'm happy with my knowledge...very very happy with it... despite attempts by some to denigrate and disprove it

Offline sadie

It's the torsional stresses that will cause a key to fail not tensile.
Remember your Ts Js Gs rs ls and thetas ?
Actually Alice, I am inclined to think that with a well oiled lock, a copy key very simply made of lead might be OK for a once off key turning effort.

The "lugs" on the key are very small.  It is not as tho' they are long at all.

Offline mercury

Is forging a key just another unprecednted thng in a child abduction case? 
This is getting more ridiculous by the minute, oh well, enjoy

Offline pegasus

S/he would be listening and looking into a backlit room with a shard of light entering via the ajar door.  Madeleine's bed would be in shadow and it would not be immediately apparent that it was occupied.  One cot had an opaque back therefore the child sleeping in it could not be seen ... dependent on the angle of the light entering it is possible a soundly sleeping child might have been seen.
I don't think a person observing the room from the window and holding the curtain back to do so would have had a very clear view of the interior.

Had the window been opened from the outside with the intention of entering the residence I am of the opinion entry would have been effected.

I don't think that is what happened.  I think a key was used.

However, had an intruder entered via the patio door and been disturbed when Madeleine's father unexpectedly turned up ... it might have been opened as an escape route ... but I don't think it was an escape route either.
If the patio door was the entry ... the wooden door was the exit ... the open window being the contingency emergency exit.
After opening the window and shutter, IMO a burglar would certainly look into the room before climbing in - to see whether there was any furniture in the way. If the light from the small lounge tablelamp getting through the crack of the almost shut bedroom door was insufficient, he would shine a small torch into the room. This torch would be clearly visible to an awake child inside the room.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2016, 02:16:42 AM by pegasus »

Offline pegasus

When the burglar opened the window and shutter, it would cause the very slightly ajar bedroom door to slam shut.

Offline mercury

When the burglar opened the window and shutter, it would cause the very slightly ajar bedroom door to slam shut.

What about the curtains or did a milliom beaufort wind open them aka mrs mccann in tv interviews and docus ....despite her saying the joint statement she ran over and opened the curtains

Offline pegasus

What about the curtains or did a milliom beaufort wind open them aka mrs mccann in tv interviews and docus ....despite her saying the joint statement she ran over and opened the curtains
Yes, if a burglar opened the window and shutter, very probably the curtains would blow slightly inwards, and the slightly ajar bedroom door would slam shut.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2016, 02:54:00 AM by pegasus »

Offline Brietta

Yes, if a burglar opened the window and shutter, very probably the curtains would blow slightly inwards, and the slightly ajar bedroom door would slam shut.

If there was a breeze or a gust of air outside, the curtain may have moved.  I don't think the door would have slammed shut unless the patio door was open to create the necessary through draft.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Needless to say, almost, if of course it wasn't mentioned , day after day to the contrary, there is no proof the window or shutter were open or disturbed.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Actually Alice, I am inclined to think that with a well oiled lock, a copy key very simply made of lead might be OK for a once off key turning effort.

The "lugs" on the key are very small.  It is not as tho' they are long at all.

Well I suppose if you really were that interested you could work out all the relevant section dimensions and jump a figure for the torque required to release the lock then calculate whether the sections will either permanently deform or shear under that torque. Or carry out an empirical test using a lead/tin soldier by holding his feet in the thumb and forefinger of one one hand while turning his head with the thumb and forefinger of the other hand.
I wonder why no one uses lead keys..................................... &%+((£
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline ShiningInLuz

If there was a breeze or a gust of air outside, the curtain may have moved.  I don't think the door would have slammed shut unless the patio door was open to create the necessary through draft.
According to Kate it was the door shutting that alerted her, then she checked to ensure the patio door was closed, which it was.
What's up, old man?