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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #180 on: May 09, 2016, 10:19:39 PM »
Key phrase.  Incredibly weak.

I have no issue with the poster who brought this incredibly weak evidence to this thread.  It is to date, the 'best' we have got, even though it would not pass muster in a criminal or civil court.

So a simple question to you.  Is that your evidence?

I ask for a reason.  I seem to be getting a reputation already in Portelas  when I haven't even managed to buy the house, let alone move in.

Based on incredibly weak evidence, our new neighbour is of the opinion that the McCanns should be charged with anything from child neglect up.  And that, based on incredibly weak evidence, is consistently the view of the folks out here.

Should I string up the McCanns on the basis of this incredibly weak evidence?  Or should I ask for something convincing?

You ran out of opportunities to provide evidence pages back.  The forum rules prevent me from expressing my opinion about your tactics.

Same issue as always - evidence?

what poster are you talking about...you seem to be getting terribly confused... I have provided evidence....you have agreed there is weak evidence...as for your neighbours...evidence is not proof...as I have said many times

Offline G-Unit

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #181 on: May 09, 2016, 10:26:27 PM »
 *&*%£
Before OG could interview a UK citizen in the UK, would they need to first recieve a rogatory letter from the PJ?

What an interesting thought. The answer is no. The Portuguese can restrict what OG do in Portugal and the UK can restrict what the PJ do in the UK but both are free to investigate their own citizens as they see fit.
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Offline pegasus

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #182 on: May 09, 2016, 10:36:42 PM »
*&*%£
What an interesting thought. The answer is no. The Portuguese can restrict what OG do in Portugal and the UK can restrict what the PJ do in the UK but both are free to investigate their own citizens as they see fit.
Yes you are probably right GUnit.
But here is another interesting question:
How likely is it out of ten that the current active PJ investigation (a new team based in a new city) might wish to interview the last witness to see the child, and the first witness to discover the child missing? 

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #183 on: May 09, 2016, 10:39:35 PM »
Yes you are probably right GUnit.
But here is another interesting question:
How likely is it out of ten that the current active PJ investigation (a new team based in a new city) might wish to interview the last witness to see the child, and the first witness to discover the child missing?

Have the portuguese interviewed anyone...my view...my opinion is that there is no portuguese investigation
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #184 on: May 09, 2016, 10:59:56 PM »
Yes you are probably right GUnit.
But here is another interesting question:
How likely is it out of ten that the current active PJ investigation (a new team based in a new city) might wish to interview the last witness to see the child, and the first witness to discover the child missing?

If they had specific questions for or about anyone in the UK they would send ILR's as the PJ did before.
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Offline pegasus

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #185 on: May 09, 2016, 11:02:43 PM »
If they had specific questions for or about anyone in the UK they would send ILR's as the PJ did before.
I wonder how many ILRs have been sent by the current PJ investigation to the UK, and whom they request questioning of.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #186 on: May 09, 2016, 11:09:53 PM »
you have said i have offered not one iota of evidence.....



Reply #416 on: May 06, 2016, 05:46:47 PM »
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Evidence....

 one or more reasons for believing that something is or is not true: according to the cambridge dictionary..

First reason...when someone goes missing it is standard police practice to interview the last person to see the missing person...in fact I doubt if there is a case in the UK where this was not done

Second reason.....statement from the lead officer that the McCanns are not suspects...what reason would he have for saying this...

as I said...not proof...but evidence




You need a chair

At least that means we can finally agree that the dog alerts are evidence.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline G-Unit

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #187 on: May 09, 2016, 11:16:38 PM »
I wonder how many ILRs have been sent by the current PJ investigation to the UK, and whom they request questioning of.

That could be very interesting. OG requesting interviews with Portuguese 'burglars' and the PJ requesting interviews with..................

So each side may have clues as to the other's 'lines of inquiry'.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #188 on: May 09, 2016, 11:23:15 PM »
If the McCanns were not interviewed, prior to the scoping excercise being allowed, it was not for the want of the opportunity to do so. 
I cannot see two two Home Secretaries risking their political credibility by acceding to progressing it unless they were very sure of their ground.  The only way to take that precaution would be if the police recommended it and the only surety the police could have to do so would be after checking the McCanns out ... to do that would require they were interviewed. imo

Home Office launches secret review into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

The Home Office has secretly begun a review that could lead to a fresh police inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

By Robert Mendick9:00PM GMT 06 Mar 2010


**  **
Kate and Gerry McCann met with Mr Johnson last year to plead for help in their search for Madeleine, who vanished without trace in May 2007 from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

The couple have also met with John Yates, the Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner, who has headed up a number of high profile inquiries in recent years.
He is said to be "sympathetic" and to have made "general offers of assistance".

The source said:
"The latest we have heard from the Home Office is officials are undertaking a 'scoping exercise' to look into the possibility of a review of the case.

"They are looking at all the options. It is basically a feasibility study.

"Kate and Gerry met with Alan Johnson to request a review is done. Hopefully any political intervention can unlock obstructions that might be in the way."

**  **
A Home Office spokesman said: "We can confirm that the Home Secretary had a private meeting with Kate and Gerry McCann.

"Leicestershire Police stand ready to co-ordinate and complete enquiries if further information comes to light in the UK; or if requested to do so by the Portuguese authorities, who continue to lead on the overall investigation."

The spokesman refused to discuss what talks took place at the meeting or whether there was the chance of a review of the evidence at Interpol.

The spokesman added: "We are not going to comment on the outcome of any private meeting with the McCanns."

Mr Yates was unavailable for comment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7384911/Home-Office-launches-secret-review-into-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #189 on: May 09, 2016, 11:26:44 PM »
At least that means we can finally agree that the dog alerts are evidence.

Dog alerts are not evidence.  They are intelligence.

The evidence comes from humans investigating and determining what the alert might indicate.  That takes evidence gathering and forensic investigation.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #190 on: May 09, 2016, 11:31:38 PM »
Kate and Gerry met with Alan Johnson to request a review is done. Hopefully any political intervention can unlock obstructions that might be in the way."

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Yes, we know all about mr mendick and how he considered dead from cancer pj detectives who were an obstruction to be a positive thing


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further obstacle was removed with the death from stomach cancer two weeks ago of Guilhermino Encarnacao, who was in charge of the Policia Judiciaria in the Algarve.

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And exactly wtf was he anyway to spout dead pj  are a good thing and  in kates words  what a tosser

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post97436.html#p97436
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #191 on: May 09, 2016, 11:33:25 PM »
Dog alerts are not evidence.  They are intelligence.

The evidence comes from humans investigating and determining what the alert might indicate.  That takes evidence gathering and forensic investigation.

According to Davel...

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Evidence....

 one or more reasons for believing that something is or is not true: according to the cambridge dictionary..

“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #192 on: May 10, 2016, 07:30:52 AM »
According to Davel...


The alerts are NOT evidence because Harrison stated clearly no inference could be drawn from them. I'm surprised you still do not understand that

Offline G-Unit

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #193 on: May 10, 2016, 07:31:34 AM »
If the McCanns were not interviewed, prior to the scoping excercise being allowed, it was not for the want of the opportunity to do so. 
I cannot see two two Home Secretaries risking their political credibility by acceding to progressing it unless they were very sure of their ground.  The only way to take that precaution would be if the police recommended it and the only surety the police could have to do so would be after checking the McCanns out ... to do that would require they were interviewed. imo

Home Office launches secret review into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

The Home Office has secretly begun a review that could lead to a fresh police inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

By Robert Mendick9:00PM GMT 06 Mar 2010


**  **
Kate and Gerry McCann met with Mr Johnson last year to plead for help in their search for Madeleine, who vanished without trace in May 2007 from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

The couple have also met with John Yates, the Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner, who has headed up a number of high profile inquiries in recent years.
He is said to be "sympathetic" and to have made "general offers of assistance".

The source said:
"The latest we have heard from the Home Office is officials are undertaking a 'scoping exercise' to look into the possibility of a review of the case.

"They are looking at all the options. It is basically a feasibility study.

"Kate and Gerry met with Alan Johnson to request a review is done. Hopefully any political intervention can unlock obstructions that might be in the way."

**  **
A Home Office spokesman said: "We can confirm that the Home Secretary had a private meeting with Kate and Gerry McCann.

"Leicestershire Police stand ready to co-ordinate and complete enquiries if further information comes to light in the UK; or if requested to do so by the Portuguese authorities, who continue to lead on the overall investigation."

The spokesman refused to discuss what talks took place at the meeting or whether there was the chance of a review of the evidence at Interpol.

The spokesman added: "We are not going to comment on the outcome of any private meeting with the McCanns."

Mr Yates was unavailable for comment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7384911/Home-Office-launches-secret-review-into-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html

I can see no reason to assume that the McCanns were 'checked out' before the scoping exercise was commissioned. The impression I get is that the Home Office were lobbied relentlessly by the McCanns to carry out a review. Although they seemed generally sympathetic, as did the Met, the scoping exercise was their answer, and they didn't act after they received it.

Kate tells us in her book;

A year after our request for a review of Madeleine's case, Alan Johnson, the second home secretary we had met, commissioned CEOP to undertake a ‘scoping’ exercise – basically to establish whether they felt a review may be of benefit. Their report has been with the Home Office since March 2010

We have since met the current home secretary, Theresa May, and written to her several times. Currently we do not know whether we are any further forward, or whether the British government has even raised the suggestion of a review with the Portuguese authorities
Madeleine Page 383

Kate also tells us why they wanted a review;

Our own search, however, has significant limitations. Crucially, we do not have access to all of the information that has come in to the inquiry. The Portuguese authorities possess a great deal of material that was not included in the police file released into the public domain. The British police, too, hold information we do not have. The more data we can acquire, the more complete the picture will be and the stronger our chances of finding our daughter. If a review is declined, or indeed if no decision is ever made, we will be left with no alternative but to seek disclosure of all information possessed by the authorities relating to Madeleine’s disappearance.
Madeleine Page 384

They had tried to get the information from Leicestershire Police previously, of course, and were sent away with a flea in their ear;

‘While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.’
Madeleine Page 331

I wonder why they thought it might work if they tried again?



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Offline G-Unit

Re: The McCanns will have been interviewed by Operation Grange.
« Reply #194 on: May 10, 2016, 07:41:09 AM »

The alerts are NOT evidence because Harrison stated clearly no inference could be drawn from them. I'm surprised you still do not understand that

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