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Offline Caroline

Re: Jeremy Bamber claimed the twins were to be fostered.
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2016, 01:09:23 PM »
Let's put this in perspective. Sheila has a second breakdown and is in the looney bin (yeah I know not being nice blah blah blah) so June told her counterpart that she was concerned about the kids being taken away by the welfare system. June's counterpart said don't worry I am sure that the government will not do that since their father and extended families can help care for them and in fact while in the hospital Collin largely was watching them. June's irrational fears of the state taking the away were allayed by her counterpart's straight head.

The day care is different but perhaps not totally unrelated. PERHAPS June fears were not fully allayed and as a result she felt day care would be a good way to make sure the state didn't intervene. It could be that she just was thinking of Sheila and wanted to help her but there is still a chance she felt lessening the burden on Sheila would result in the state not intervening.  This is all immaterial though.

The material issue is IF June did suggest day care would Sheila have become despondent over the thought and have decided to kill her kids and herself and even her parents. The professional treating her said no. He based his opinion on the fact that 1) she had already used day care so was familiar with it and understood it was not loosing custody of her kids; 2) she not only was familiar with it but had welcomed it in the past so likely would still view such favorably; 3) Jeremy's claim that after such was suggested she didn't react badly to it and wasn't disturbed.

From the defense perspective this sucks she didn't react badly in the past to such assistance and according to the defendant she didn't react badly to suggestions of getting such aid again. That doesn't leave a very strong argument for the defense.

The defense would have had more luck arguing she misinterpreted this as losing custody of her kids if she had never used day care before so was unfamiliar with it and someone reliable had seen her react strongly against the suggestion saying she didn't want to give up custody.

I agree BUT this is the reason why he became the primary carer. It wasn't up to June whether the boys went into day care. Nothing could have been done without Colin being involved and Sheila may have been ill, but she would have known that.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber claimed the twins were to be fostered.
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2016, 01:36:25 PM »
I agree BUT this is the reason why he became the primary carer. It wasn't up to June whether the boys went into day care. Nothing could have been done without Colin being involved and Sheila may have been ill, but she would have known that.

SC could have pursued the matter through the courts and the courts would decide.

CC was not going to relinquish his role of full-time parent back to SC, justifiably so imo, unless forced to do so by a court order.   

It seems unlikely SC would have the wherewithal to mount a legal challenge and even if she did it's unlikely the courts would rule in her favour as a lone parent given her mental illness/ability to parent the twins.  However with her parents support she could have presented a compelling case. 


Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber claimed the twins were to be fostered.
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2016, 02:19:24 PM »
The twins were getting older, bolder and more reliant on each other rather than their mother.  Could it have been that this was the opportune time to integrate them back into the Bamber household sort of speak?   With the twins at school Sheila was free to do whatever she wanted, she had June to help out and Nevill too when possible.  I think a return to Goldhanger would have been welcome all round, except for Jeremy that is!

Jeremy could see the twins becoming family favourites, he could see his inheritance slowly but surely dwindling.  June changing her will was the last straw I think, Jeremy surely wondered would Nevill follow suit. The time was right for Jeremy, it was now or never!
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Jeremy Bamber claimed the twins were to be fostered.
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2016, 03:57:29 PM »
The twins were getting older, bolder and more reliant on each other rather than their mother.  Could it have been that this was the opportune time to integrate them back into the Bamber household sort of speak?   With the twins at school Sheila was free to do whatever she wanted, she had June to help out and Nevill too when possible.  I think a return to Goldhanger would have been welcome all round, except for Jeremy that is!

Jeremy could see the twins becoming family favourites, he could see his inheritance slowly but surely dwindling.  June changing her will was the last straw I think, Jeremy surely wondered would Nevill follow suit. The time was right for Jeremy, it was now or never!

I think it was very much on the Bamber's agenda to relocate SC and the twins to Essex but I doubt this arrangement was acceptable to SC or CC.

I don't think June changed her will?  Had she have done I am sure her solicitor would have testified to this effect.  It is unlikely June would change her will making the twins significant beneficiaries as this would then be unfair on any yet to be born grandchildren from SC or JB.
 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Jeremy Bamber claimed the twins were to be fostered.
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2016, 05:29:01 PM »
The twins were getting older, bolder and more reliant on each other rather than their mother.  Could it have been that this was the opportune time to integrate them back into the Bamber household sort of speak?   With the twins at school Sheila was free to do whatever she wanted, she had June to help out and Nevill too when possible.  I think a return to Goldhanger would have been welcome all round, except for Jeremy that is!

Jeremy could see the twins becoming family favourites, he could see his inheritance slowly but surely dwindling.  June changing her will was the last straw I think, Jeremy surely wondered would Nevill follow suit. The time was right for Jeremy, it was now or never!

This was something Jeremy was planning for a long time not something he came up with very close to the murders. Julie simply didn't believe he would seriously do it.  That he did carry it out is a reflection he was actually quite serious. There was nothing abrupt about carrying it out he had to wait until the opportunity was present and it wasn't present till they were staying over.

The girlfriend of a former Marine sniper-scout said she wanted her ex-boyfriend killed. She was involved in a child custody dispute with him. At first the former Marine thought she was joking but after a while he thought she might be serious so he started taping their conversations. Ultimately he alerted the authorities and they had a cop pose as a hitman and snared her. If instead he hooked her up with a real killer who followed though it would have been a case of long term planning not something abrupt. 

“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli