Neville Bamber and Teddy bear in master bedroom

[Holly Goodhead]

Neville and June held the cards over Sheila. Unless Sheila wanted to 'go it alone' as Bamber had tried a few years earlier. The twins were not really an issue. CC had them due to a mutual agreement between him and Sheila. They could visit Sheila when agreed.

I don't know if Sheila knew anything about moving back to Essex. Bamber certainly did.

CC's mother WS makes it very clear SC was very upset and distressed by not having the twins living with her.  It wasn't going to change.  CC would not have allowed the twins to live with SC again.  I can't see any court ruling in SC's favour.

The Bambers must have appreciated the above.  June would not want the twins living full-time with their father, an unemployed studio potter, living in rented accommodation in London with whatever girlfriend was around.  The Bambers seemed to think a solution was to relocate SC and the twins to Essex.  Again CC would not have agreed to this.  Unlikely a court would rule against CC in favour of two mentally unwell women who according to CC, CC's mother and the twins teachers were having a detrimental impact on the twins.

It is possible the above drove SC to murder.

[Holly Goodhead]

There are always warped theories being suggested regarding this case. Which keeps the discussion going.

Mike has said this week that a relative called Ralph Nevill assisted Sheila in the massacre and was spotted as a hunched man leaving WHF. After the raid team entered WHF.

Lookout said Bamber didn't commit the massacre because the windows might have been painted the day before.

Nugs said the police said to Bamber 'we know you phoned you're cottage from WHF' when they didn't. While Jan complains that 20 sources are not enough as they are not all 'primary sources'.

The suggestion that a 27 year woman slept in the main bedroom with one of her parents, to be nearer two 6 year old boys (who were in another room) is just as warped.

Thankfully the case is now being managed by some very impressive people and it doesn't include any of the above, myself and most definitely not the CT!

I thought Jan was quite reasonable with her posts.

[Myster]

The SoC photo of the bed in the main bedroom shows June left the bed by moving the duvet from left to right and leaving it open.  NB left the bed and did not leave the duvet open. If he was escaping his bed under a hail of bullets why would he open it right to left to exit the bed but replace it?

I'm in bed at the moment on my phone whilst watching the Andrew Marr show on tv! Just call me Waynetta! Will try to find SoC photo later.

Doesn't look like Nevill's side been tidied up to me.  If it was, JB might have fiddled about readjusting the bedclothes.

Have I just sent some expensive flowers to a certain Miss Slob!!!?  Serves me right... I should have looked before I leapt.

[Myster]

CC's mother WS makes it very clear SC was very upset and distressed by not having the twins living with her.  It wasn't going to change.  CC would not have allowed the twins to live with SC again.  I can't see any court ruling in SC's favour.

The Bambers must have appreciated the above.  June would not want the twins living full-time with their father, an unemployed studio potter, living in rented accommodation in London with whatever girlfriend was around.  The Bambers seemed to think a solution was to relocate SC and the twins to Essex.  Again CC would not have agreed to this.  Unlikely a court would rule against CC in favour of two mentally unwell women who according to CC, CC's mother and the twins teachers were having a detrimental impact on the twins.

It is possible the above drove SC to murder.

In a word.. No!

Didn't one of Sheila's friends say she would be happy to receive £40 per week for working at OCP in future?

[Holly Goodhead]

Doesn't look like Nevill's side been tidied up to me.  If it was, JB might have fiddled about readjusting the bedclothes.

Have I just sent some expensive flowers to a certain Miss Slob!!!?  Serves me right... I should have looked before I leapt.

Up, showered and dressed now!  What for brunch?

There's another photo.  The photo you posted is clearly later as the box room door is open which the raid team imply was closed.

[Holly Goodhead]

In a word.. No!

Didn't one of Sheila's friends say she would be happy to receive £40 per week for working at OCP in future?

Yes Tora Tompkins said SC liked the idea of earning £40pw.  I recently said £70 but you're right it was £40. But was SC prepared to relocate to Essex for this?  CC's mother's WS said SC tried very hard to find work.  Poor SC but well done to her for trying despite her mental illness.

[Myster]

Up, showered and dressed now!  What for brunch?

There's another photo.  The photo you posted is clearly later as the box room door is open which the raid team imply was closed.

Home-made chicken and veg soup (eat your hearts out Jamie and Nigella!), followed by home-grown raspberries and cream.

The only photo I know of with that door closed is one taken much later, probably by the family... unless you know any different?

Sorry...I had to reduce the resolution and size to upload...

[Myster]

Yes Tora Tompkins said SC liked the idea of earning £40pw.  I recently said £70 but you're right it was £40. But was SC prepared to relocate to Essex for this?  CC's mother's WS said SC tried very hard to find work.  Poor SC but well done to her for trying despite her mental illness.

Maybe... if it meant improving her life, meeting and greeting people at OCP..

Right... need to get outside and some work done.

[John]

"... in order to prevent further upset to Jeremy Bamber..." !!!?

Obviously a misprint... He must have been ecstatic at the thought of evidence being destroyed!

Unprecedented folly by Essex Police.  It seemed as if Jeremy got whatever Jeremy wanted at that stage being the grieving son.

[John]

CC's mother WS makes it very clear SC was very upset and distressed by not having the twins living with her.  It wasn't going to change.  CC would not have allowed the twins to live with SC again.  I can't see any court ruling in SC's favour.

The Bambers must have appreciated the above.  June would not want the twins living full-time with their father, an unemployed studio potter, living in rented accommodation in London with whatever girlfriend was around.  The Bambers seemed to think a solution was to relocate SC and the twins to Essex.  Again CC would not have agreed to this.  Unlikely a court would rule against CC in favour of two mentally unwell women who according to CC, CC's mother and the twins teachers were having a detrimental impact on the twins.

It is possible the above drove SC to murder.

Definately not Holly and there is NO EVIDENCE she committed any murder.

I agree with your opening remarks however, June and Nevill wanted to bring the twins back to the farm and reintegrate them into the community.  They were old enough by that stage, no longer babies and easier coped with.  Having the twins back would have suited Sheila on so many levels and still allowed her time to do what she liked best.  I don't think Colin would have had a leg to stand on, with June and Nevill's support Sheila could have regained custody.

Jeremy could see his inheritance slowly dwindling, the twins could have inherited the lot, they had to go.

[david1819]

Home-made chicken and veg soup (eat your hearts out Jamie and Nigella!), followed by home-grown raspberries and cream.

The only photo I know of with that door closed is one taken much later, probably by the family... unless you know any different?

Sorry...I had to reduce the resolution and size to upload...

This was taken by the police/forensics around 2000 when they ripped up the carpets trying to get a sample of Sheila's DNA. As you can see the equipment is on the bed and the carpets have been ripped off the floor

[scipio_usmc]

I think the four spent bullets found in the bedroom relate to June:

- DRH/35 x 2
- DRH/9
- DRH/5

June's GSW's as follows:

1) Between eyes above bridge of nose - bullet and fragments recovered
2) Ear/head - fragments recovered
3) Neck - bullet exited
4) Forearm - bullet exited
5) Upper chest - bullet recovered
6) Lower chest - bullet recovered
7) knee - bullet exited

It seems to me June's GSW's 2) and 3) must represent the two bullets found in the pillow 2 x DRH/35.  And GSW's 4) and 5) represent DRH/9 and DRH/5.

Only 3 bullets exited June, 4 were recovered from inside of her and 3 exited and were found in the bedroom. . How could all 4 bullets in the bedroom relate to June?  It is quite clear that DRH/5 relates to Nevill's graze wound.

I have repeatedly posted which bullets are associated which which wounds:

The largest bullet fragment associated with each wound in order of how the autopsy report refers to the wounds where possible:

Sheila
upper wound (chin) PV/19
lower wound (neck) PV/20

Nevill
1) PV/8 front of right ear/exit left ear but still in the body
2) PV/9 slightly above wound 1
3) PV/3 top of skull
4) PV/4 top of skull
5) PV/10 (lip)         
6) PV/11 (jaw)
7)PV/2  (Shoulder)
8)DRH/5 (Arm/chest Graze wound)

June
1) PV/25 between eyes
2) PV/26 above right ear
3) DRH/35a lower neck (bullet exited into pillow)
4) DRH/35b forearm (bullet exited into pillow)
5) PV/24 right upper chest
6) PV/23 lower chest
7) DRH/9 knee (bullet exited into bed)

Daniel

There were 5 entrance wounds in an arc in the back of his head. The largest fragment from 4 bullets were recovered from his body, nearly all of the 5th bullet exited his body and was found in the room.  There was insufficient detail in the autopsy report to match the 5 bullet fragments to specific entry wounds.  The following 5 bullet fragments are each associated with an entry wound:

PV/34
PV/35
PV/36
PV/29
DRH/36 (bullet exited and landed in bedroom)

Nicholas
Left cheek bone
Left of bridge of the nose
Outer aspect of right eyebrow

Vanezis recovered the largest fragment from 2 of the 3 wounds PV/30 and PV/31 but he didn't detail which entrance wound each bullet fragment was associated with. The third bullet fragmented into small parts in the head and none of these fragments were removed during the autopsy so remained in the victim at burial.

[Holly Goodhead]

This was taken by the police/forensics around 2000 when they ripped up the carpets trying to get a sample of Sheila's DNA. As you can see the equipment is on the bed and the carpets have been ripped off the floor

(I thought you would be watching the last game of the season David?  Man U v Bounemouth called off suspicious package.  Last week the players coach was vandalised on its way to Upton Park  &%+((£)

Did you mean June's DNA?  As far as we know none of SC's blood was found in the bedroom?  Although if what looks like blood was in fact under the bible it may well have belonged to SC and might have yielded some results.

[david1819]

(I thought you would be watching the last game of the season David?  Man U v Bounemouth called off suspicious package.  Last week the players coach was vandalised on its way to Upton Park  &%+((£)

Did you mean June's DNA?  As far as we know none of SC's blood was found in the bedroom?  Although if what looks like blood was in fact under the bible it may well have belonged to SC and might have yielded some results.

Around 2000 or 1999 they removed the carpets to see if they could find any of Sheila's blood/DNA that may have seeped through the carpet onto the floor board in 1985. They didn't find any but they looked, that what the photo myster uploaded is about.

[Holly Goodhead]

Doesn't look like Nevill's side been tidied up to me.  If it was, JB might have fiddled about readjusting the bedclothes.

Have I just sent some expensive flowers to a certain Miss Slob!!!?  Serves me right... I should have looked before I leapt.

I was thinking of this photo but now I've checked it out I think it's a replica of what you have posted from another angle:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5594.msg198779#msg198779

Does it look like NB left his bed in a hurry?  I guess it's like most of the soc photos down to interpretation!

It does show how perilously close the bible was to the opened box room door and how it could quite easily have been moved.