The Tapas Bookings

[slartibartfast]

So on the one hand  we must assume that every stranger we meet is capable of harming  children and it is 'insane' to mention that you are leaving your children alone to them  -  but on the other hand strangers who are childminders are above suspicion as checks carried out are 100%  foolproof?    I presume Vanessa George was checked out by her employers  before she was allowed to look after children.

But a listening service would have been fine?

[Brietta]

You run a risk with either.
The question here is why the risk was acceptable during the day but not at night.

During the day the children were not being looked after in an enclosed space in a one to one basis.  During the day the children were involved in activities in public areas, mixing with other children and accompanied by more than one carer.

[stephen25000]

During the day the children were not being looked after in an enclosed space in a one to one basis.  During the day the children were involved in activities in public areas, mixing with other children and accompanied by more than one carer.

...and looked after by people they didn't know.

Tut, tut.

[Alfie]

Why would anyone watch the apartment over several days ? What could they find out ? The family was on holiday so there routine would more than likely change from day to day. One night they might eat dinner out while the next they might decide to stay in and have a takeaway. Anyone watching could never be certain what the occupants of the apartment would do from night to night so what would be the point of watching ?

Why would anyone watch an apartment over several days?  To establish the comings and goings of the inhabitants and decide on the best time to strike
What could they find out?  See above
Did the McCanns and their friends evening holiday activities fall into something of a routine or were they all over the place every night, sometimes dragging the kids out, sometimes not? 

[Alice Purjorick]

During the day the children were not being looked after in an enclosed space in a one to one basis.  During the day the children were involved in activities in public areas, mixing with other children and accompanied by more than one carer.

Do you seriously think that makes a difference?
Anglican Church, Catholic Church, Scouts, Guides, Music Teachers, Swimming Instructors.......................etc.

[Miss Taken Identity]

So on the one hand  we must assume that every stranger we meet is capable of harming  children and it is 'insane' to mention that you are leaving your children alone to them  - but on the other hand strangers who are childminders are above suspicion as checks carried out are 100%  foolproof?    I presume Vanessa George was checked out by her employers  before she was allowed to look after children.

Yes
No
Yes.

The thing is VG( VILE DISGUCTING SPECIMEN) imo.... would have been 'innocent' until found guilty in a court of law which would show up on record as such- however if she was a, VDS paedophile, before being found out-( which she was) she would have the same rights as others to be presumed innocent-( you supporters are all about that) whether she was or not!
 

[mercury]

So on the one hand  we must assume that every stranger we meet is capable of harming  children and it is 'insane' to mention that you are leaving your children alone to them  -  but on the other hand strangers who are childminders are above suspicion as checks carried out are 100%  foolproof?    I presume Vanessa George was checked out by her employers  before she was allowed to look after children.

I think the scales weigh far heavier on the one side potentally than the other Benice!
Add to that the flat was left unsecured and vulnerable to strangers off the street as well. To suggest that using a 20 something female babysitter you interact with daily was more dangerous than telling strangers (and whoever else was withn hearng distance of this)  the kids were alone and leaving the flat vulnerable to other strangers is a bit illogical at best IMO. You will call it Mccann bashing, others call it what it is.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Why would anyone watch an apartment over several days?  To establish the comings and goings of the inhabitants and decide on the best time to strike
What could they find out?  See above
Did the McCanns and their friends evening holiday activities fall into something of a routine or were they all over the place every night, sometimes dragging the kids out, sometimes not?

to see if it was worth breaking into?  oh and but well, they would have discovered that there were crying children in that room ( having been watching for  several days/nights.) which would be a risk not worth taking, also they would know one of the doors was left unlocked... Do'h  and the best time to strike would have been right after the McCanns left the apartment fr their free drinks and meal as' they abducting burglars' would have been aware that the parents would be 'coming and going all night' Double Do'h.
Because, well ,you see the thing is :as they claimed to be coming and going all night checking the children no one actually physically checked the children- so Maddie could have been 'abducted' 'stolen'  'kidknapped'just minutes after her parents left...

[slartibartfast]

But a listening service would have been fine?

Any supporters care to answer this?

[mercury]

Any supporters care to answer this?

There are a lot of threads on ths forum that died with awkward unanswered questions

[misty]

Any supporters care to answer this?

For some people it would, for others it wouldn't.

[slartibartfast]

For some people it would, for others it wouldn't.

Well the ones that thought baby sitter bad seem to think listener/checker good.

[pegasus]

Other guests who wanted to eat an evening meal at Tapas had to queue up at 9AM in the morning to try to make  a reservation.

[Brietta]

Other guests who wanted to eat an evening meal at Tapas had to queue up at 9AM in the morning to try to make  a reservation.

I don't quite see the point you are trying to make here, Pegasus.  Or rather I do, and I am disappointed in a poster of your stature making it.

The resort was hardly bursting at the seams with holidaymakers as the season was just starting.  At a busy period the tapas restaurant would probably have to had to stick to the rule of first come first served.

As it turned out the accommodation made for the party of nine ~ who it must be remembered had to be catered for anyway ~ ultimately did not work out to their advantage.

[stephen25000]

I don't quite see the point you are trying to make here, Pegasus.  Or rather I do, and I am disappointed in a poster of your stature making it.

The resort was hardly bursting at the seams with holidaymakers as the season was just starting.  At a busy period the tapas restaurant would probably have to had to stick to the rule of first come first served.

As it turned out the accommodation made for the party of nine ~ who it must be remembered had to be catered for anyway ~ ultimately did not work out to their advantage.

We already know.

The tapas party were doing the 'big i am' and got preferential treatment, over other people.

That does sound behaviour characteristic of that group.