Author Topic: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?  (Read 31388 times)

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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2016, 08:43:51 PM »
nothing new here...its about parents trying to pass of head injuries caused by a parent as  a low level fall......low level falls rarely cause an  serious problem...if they do its a subdural haematoma which rarely results in death ...but when it does death is of the order of 24 hrs later...we have been through all this before ...amarals thesis does not hold water...thats why SY are looking for an abductor

I think you are struggling here, though the 24 hours leads to some interesting thoughts.
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Offline Davel

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2016, 08:47:53 PM »
I think you are struggling here, though the 24 hours leads to some interesting thoughts.

no you are ...24 hours leads to the abandonment of all the theories held for 9 years and more speculation to desperately try and make the impossible seem possible
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2016, 08:49:52 PM »
no you are ...24 hours leads to the abandonment of all the theories held for 9 years and more speculation to desperately try and make the impossible seem possible

You just introduced the 24 hours. What if Madeliene had had a nasty bang on the head the day before...?
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Offline Davel

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2016, 08:51:37 PM »
You just introduced the 24 hours. What if Madeliene had had a nasty bang on the head the day before...?

so are you abandoning amarals theory
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Offline Davel

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2016, 08:52:56 PM »
You just introduced the 24 hours. What if Madeliene had had a nasty bang on the head the day before...?

when...and how come it went unnoticed...just more ridiculous speculation to desperately try to find some thing to fit the bill
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Online misty

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2016, 08:53:34 PM »
You just introduced the 24 hours. What if Madeliene had had a nasty bang on the head the day before...?


We have never seen the crèche accident records sheets. I wonder if any exist?

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2016, 08:54:34 PM »
so are you abandoning amarals theory

I've never been tied to any particular theory unlike some.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2016, 08:55:17 PM »

We have never seen the crèche accident records sheets. I wonder if any exist?

Who knows?
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Offline Davel

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2016, 08:58:23 PM »
I've never been tied to any particular theory unlike some.
Sounds like you have not been able to make an informed judgement
Based on the facts I have




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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2016, 09:04:19 PM »
Sounds like you have not been able to make an informed judgement
Based on the facts I have

Based on the facts there isn't enough information to make a fixed judgement. Beliefs, hopes and desires, yes.
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Offline Davel

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2016, 09:05:18 PM »
Based on the facts there isn't enough information to make a fixed judgement. Beliefs, hopes and desires, yes.

I said an informed judgement
And there are
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Offline John

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2016, 09:13:53 PM »
You explain how a child could die from falling off a sofa
The whole idea is ridiculous

Very easily actually since most villas in Portugal have tiled floors.

I recall an incident when my own child fell over a deckchair and landed on his head on the tiles, a football sized bump followed.  It could have been oh so worse heaven forbid.

I think it would be more honest and indeed accurate to state that a child could die from a fall from a sofa onto a tiled floor having sustained a fatal head injury but in reality such deaths are extremely rare.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2016, 09:22:57 PM by John »
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Offline Davel

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2016, 09:17:45 PM »
Very easily actually since most villas in Portugal have tiled floors.

I recall an incident when my own child fell over a deckchair and landed on his head on the tiles, a football sized bump followed.  It could have been oh so worse heaven forbid.
Your case shows how a fall would not have caused death
A really bad fall and nothing more than a bruise
Falls like this do not cause death
If they did there would be a lot of dead children
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Offline John

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2016, 09:24:46 PM »
Your case shows how a fall would not have caused death
A really bad fall and nothing more than a bruise
Falls like this do not cause death
If they did there would be a lot of dead children

Stop pontificating davel, such a fall could be fatal.

A simple bump on the head can kill you.

http://scienceblogs.com/whitecoatunderground/2009/03/18/a-simple-bump-on-the-head-can/


Examples of deaths following fall onto a tiled floor.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/toddler-died-sleep-after-slipping-6982555
http://yourhealth.asiaone.com/content/baby-dies-after-fall
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3284447/Five-month-old-baby-girl-died-brain-bleed-week-mother-dropped-slipped-tiled-floor-Santa-s-grotto.html
« Last Edit: May 31, 2016, 09:31:47 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. John Lamberton exposes malfeasance by public officials.
Check out my website >   http://johnlamberton.webs.com/index.htm?no_redirect=true     The truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Davel

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2016, 09:49:37 PM »
Stop pontificating davel, such a fall could be fatal.

A simple bump on the head can kill you.

http://scienceblogs.com/whitecoatunderground/2009/03/18/a-simple-bump-on-the-head-can/


Examples of deaths following fall onto a tiled floor.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/toddler-died-sleep-after-slipping-6982555

Second one child died the following day

We have seen and discussed all these. Before


I shall continue to pontificate from a position of knowledge
http://yourhealth.asiaone.com/content/baby-dies-after-fall
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3284447/Five-month-old-baby-girl-died-brain-bleed-week-mother-dropped-slipped-tiled-floor-Santa-s-grotto.html
« Last Edit: May 31, 2016, 09:56:07 PM by John »
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