Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?

[Angelo222]

In which case there would have been a fair amount of blood around.  And why on earth would such an accident have any effect on their careers?

neglect

[Mr Gray]

neglect

would not have had any effect......

[Jean-Pierre]

neglect

Do you actually know what "neglect" is, Angelo?

We need to be very careful about bandying words like "neglect" around, as by drawing a parallel between the McCanns parenting and true neglect we are in grave danger of devaluing some of what actually goes on in real cases of child neglect.

It may help to consider the following from the NSPCC website:

"Neglect is the ongoing failure to meet a child's basic needs and is the most common form of child abuse. A child may be left hungry or dirty, without adequate clothing, shelter, supervision, medical or health care. A child may be put in danger or not protected from physical or emotional harm."

[G-Unit]

Do you actually know what "neglect" is, Angelo?

We need to be very careful about bandying words like "neglect" around, as by drawing a parallel between the McCanns parenting and true neglect we are in grave danger of devaluing some of what actually goes on in real cases of child neglect.

It may help to consider the following from the NSPCC website:

"Neglect is the ongoing failure to meet a child's basic needs and is the most common form of child abuse. A child may be left hungry or dirty, without adequate clothing, shelter, supervision, medical or health care. A child may be put in danger or not protected from physical or emotional harm."

That about covers it in my opinion.

[ferryman]

That about covers it in my opinion.

If your opinion equated to Portuguese law, I guess the McCanns would have been banged up for neglect.

[G-Unit]

If your opinion equated to Portuguese law, I guess the McCanns would have been banged up for neglect.

If the McCanns had been discovered popping out for a meal in Rothley and leaving their children home alone in an unlocked house the consequences would have been very different imo.

[ferryman]

If the McCanns had been discovered popping out for a meal in Rothley and leaving their children home alone in an unlocked house the consequences would have been very different imo.

In England, a child-minder left a child strapped in a car for 10 hours and was acquitted of neglect.

[Montclair]

Maddie could have fallen off the sofa and broken her neck.

[G-Unit]

In England, a child-minder left a child strapped in a car for 10 hours and was acquitted of neglect.

Your point being?

[misty]

It seems the law considers the outcome of any crime (neglect) to be the most relevant factor in determining the severity of any crime committed.
I liken it to the drink-driving laws, whereby killing a person whilst driving under the influence attracts a prison sentence but simply driving whist drunk (with risk of causing death) only attracts a fine & ban. Same risk, different outcome & punishment.

[John]

I believe we have heard from learned Portuguese individuals already to the effect that had this been a Portuguese couple they would porobably have been prosecuted for neglect.

[Mr Gray]

I believe we have heard from learned Portuguese individuals already to the effect that had this been a Portuguese couple they would porobably have been prosecuted for neglect.

Probably would have got 15 years for murder too

[Brietta]

Maddie could have fallen off the sofa and broken her neck.

                           ... and vanished in a puff of smoke?

It is usual when a child has died as a result of an accident for a body to be found at the scene of death.

[Jean-Pierre]

I believe we have heard from learned Portuguese individuals already to the effect that had this been a Portuguese couple they would porobably have been prosecuted for neglect.

This passage covers that quite well.

"It seems evident to us and because the files contain enough elements for such, that the crime of exposure or abandonment according to article 138 of the Penal Code can be eliminated from that range:

"1 - Whoever places another person's life in danger,
 a) By exposing her in a location where she is subject to a situation from which she, on her own, cannot defend herself against; or
 b) Abandoning her without defence, whenever the agent had the duty to guard her, to watch over her or to assist her;"

 This legal type of crime is only fulfilled with intent, and this intent has to cover the creation of danger to the victim's life, as well as the absence of a capacity to defend herself, on the victim's behalf. In the case of the files and facing the elements that were collected it is evident that none of the arguidos Gerald or Kate acted with intent. The parents could not foresee that in the resort that they chose to spend a brief holiday, they could place the life of any of their children in danger, nor was that demanded from them: it was located in a peaceful area, where most of the residents are foreign citizens of the same nationality and without any known history of this type of criminality.

 The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments.

 Reinforcing what was said is also the fact that despite leaving their daughter alone with her siblings in the apartment during more or less dilated moments, it is certain that in any case they checked on them. Without any pretension or compensatory effect, we must also recognise that the parents already expiate a heavy penalty - the disappearance of Madeleine - due to their lack of caution in the surveillance and protection of their children."

[Angelo222]

So let's see  &%+((£  they did intend to put her in danger yet anyone with the slightest titter of intelligence would know that you don't leave three toddlers alone in strange surroundings for hours on end while you go off socialising nearby.  And especially so when one of the children had already complained about being left on her own.

Were they dense or just fcuking tossers?