Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?

[sadie]

Good point for Madeleine seemed very quiet that afternoon according to Kate.

After her tea.   

Was something introduced into her meal or drink to make her sleepy?  IMO this abduction was carefully planned and giving M a sleeping draft could point to certain people maybe.

[Robittybob1]

After her tea.   

Was something introduced into her meal or drink to make her sleepy?  IMO this abduction was carefully planned and giving M a sleeping draft could point to certain people maybe.

I think we need to find the actual statement by Kate saying Madeleine was slow and needed lifting.  To me it seemed that Madeleine was beginning to come down with something then.

[misty]

I think we need to find the actual statement by Kate saying Madeleine was slow and needed lifting.  To me it seemed that Madeleine was beginning to come down with something then.

She'd been out in the sun for most of the day and the sea air on the sailing trip would have made her tired. No big mystery there.

[mercury]

She'd been out in the sun for most of the day and the sea air on the sailing trip would have made her tired. No big mystery there.

Agree with that, activities of the day not automatically being drugged! Wonder why kate just didnt think that.
And theres no need to "find"  the actual statement as its been repeated in kates book and plenty of tv videos though iirc only in recent years never before

[Robittybob1]

Agree with that, activities of the day not automatically being drugged! Wonder why kate just didnt think that.
And theres no need to "find"  the actual statement as its been repeated in kates book and plenty of tv videos though iirc only in recent years never before

But with the earlier discussion on subdural bleeding could it be something like that making a slow appearance?

[Robittybob1]

But with the earlier discussion on subdural bleeding could it be something like that making a slow appearance?

If Madeleine is having a slowly developing brain bleed from a knock to the head from the boom whilst out sailing the day before it could confuse others at a later stage (now that part is part of my theory so quote me on that one Mercury).  What is said about Madeleine's sailing venture.  It didn't read very fluently.   Was there another incident being fudged here too?  What did Goncalo say about that?  Did he even notice?  Why?

[Robittybob1]

She'd been out in the sun for most of the day and the sea air on the sailing trip would have made her tired. No big mystery there.

There could be more to it if she received a blow to the head out sailing.  I think we need to look at what is said about this venture, for of all the things a 4 year old could do on a windy day it seems rather risky to me.

[Robittybob1]

There could be more to it if she received a blow to the head out sailing.  I think we need to look at what is said about this venture, for of all the things a 4 year old could do on a windy day it seems rather risky to me.

searching for "sailing" on the forum  I came across this recent entry http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7311.msg338974#msg338974..  OK it is a few years earlier and not in PDL AFAIK but sometimes these practices could reoccur.

At Mark Warner, the BBC reporter was asked to accompany and supervise young children on a sailing trip without enough safety helmets for all the children, and take young children into the water without any assessment of her swimming ability.

Here is a summary of the sailing done by the kids: http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg305253#msg305253

Employee Alice Standley accompanied the children during this sailing trip. Three children at a time would travel with each infant educator.

There is no statement from her.

Employee Chris Unswork transported the children, in a red amphibious dinghy, to the embarkation and a few minutes later, would return them to the beach and then pick up the remaining children.

No statement from Chris Unswork either.

Cat baker  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CATRIONA-TREASA-B.htm

- On the first two days the children played and did activities in the sand. On the Thursday they went sailing next to the beach.
- On that day they sailed in a small yellow "catamaran";
- Alice Standley accompanied the children on the route and on the boat. Three children sailed with her at one time;

- Chris Unswork transported the children in a red amphibious boat (life-saving boat) until the boat reached the open sea, and, a few minutes later, returned them to the beach to pick up three other children from the group;

- All said that the children did not meet anyone else during their time at the beach, nor during the trip to it.
- All said that they saw no-one suspicious watching the children nor in the vicinity.
- Catriona said she noticed nothing abnormal [unusual] along the route either when going to the beach or when returning to the resort area.

Nothing about wearing helmets there.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAT_BAKER.htm

I never noted anything strange in Madeleine's comportment during the time I stayed with her. There was one occasion, on Thursday, 3rd of May 2007, around 10H30 in the morning, where she cried at the launch of the yellow safety boat in the ocean where all the children were sailing. She was scared and fearful and cried on my lap "I am scared, I am scared." We only used the launches to transport the children to the small yellow boats. When we returned to the other boat she was happy again. She sailed in the small boat and even though some children had the opportunity to return to the port, she stayed for a second time as she appeared to be having a good time. Jane Tanner's daughter also took part in my group and together they would play. Apart from being a happy child in the club, she always seemed very content when she saw her parents. Madeleine did not demonstrate any fear with the return launch to land.

Some crying???  Sailing in the morning Thursday 3rd 10:30  - 11:00 AM.

[Carana]

If she had had an unreported / unnoticed head injury, how would that fit in with the TdA / Amaral theory? And what would be a logical reason for just about everyone under the sun (members of T9, particularly the parents, but not only; as well as governmental agencies of all sorts) covering up for the consequences of an unfortunate accident that had taken place much earlier in the day?

[Robittybob1]

If she had had an unreported / unnoticed head injury, how would that fit in with the TdA / Amaral theory? And what would be a logical reason for just about everyone under the sun (members of T9, particularly the parents, but not only; as well as governmental agencies of all sorts) covering up for the consequences of an unfortunate accident that had taken place much earlier in the day?

Just so I understand your complex question properly:
"If she had had an unreported / unnoticed head injury"  and "consequences of an unfortunate accident that had taken place much earlier in the day?"  are they both the same event?
The staff might not have noticed the accident if there was one.  But later in the day she is not well (I recall this but haven't isolated the statements as yet). 

I have a theory of how all the components fit together but I would be unable to publish this here.

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[Robittybob1]

If she had had an unreported / unnoticed head injury, how would that fit in with the TdA / Amaral theory? And what would be a logical reason for just about everyone under the sun (members of T9, particularly the parents, but not only; as well as governmental agencies of all sorts) covering up for the consequences of an unfortunate accident that had taken place much earlier in the day?

If there were two accidents in the same day and neither party knows about other one they would both feel they are to blame, but they are not fully to blame.  They don't know that, so they both set out to cover-up (like the two employees that might have known about an accident just don't give statements, and so on.  And the McCann's may or may not be aware of any of these accidents so the parents are not taking particular notice of the onset of something subtle like a brain bleed.
It is a possible scenario and it can't be ruled out ATM.

[Carana]

If there were two accidents in the same day and neither party knows about other one they would both feel they are to blame, but they are not fully to blame.  They don't know that, so they both set out to cover-up (like the two employees that might have known about an accident just don't give statements, and so on.  And the McCann's may or may not be aware of any of these accidents so the parents are not taking particular notice of the onset of something subtle like a brain bleed.
It is a possible scenario and it can't be ruled out ATM.

That would require two medics to not notice unusual symptoms in their own child prior to her disappearance, as well as however many people would have failed to report an incident during the day.

If she had had an accident ealier in the day and had been screaming in pain, I doubt that this would have passed unnoticed. If she was naturally subdued due to a headache later in the day as a result of an accident, the idea that sedatives would have been necessary to further subdue her while they went out to dinner seems to fall flat.

[Robittybob1]

That would require two medics to not notice unusual symptoms in their own child prior to her disappearance, as well as however many people would have failed to report an incident during the day.

If she had had an accident ealier in the day and had been screaming in pain, I doubt that this would have passed unnoticed. If she was naturally subdued due to a headache later in the day as a result of an accident, the idea that sedatives would have been necessary to further subdue her while they went out to dinner seems to fall flat.

We would need someone with a medical background to tell us what could happen, but as a kid one of my friends died or nearly died of a brain bleed and I think it is fairly painless.

[G-Unit]

We would need someone with a medical background to tell us what could happen, but as a kid one of my friends died or nearly died of a brain bleed and I think it is fairly painless.

If an unexpected death occurs there is only one reason to cover it up imo; those doing so don't want an investigation into the death and/or they don't want an autopsy. Their reason for not wanting an investigation probably means they were involved in the death. Their reason for not wanting an autopsy may be connected to the death or it may have nothing to do with it.

[John]

There could be more to it if she received a blow to the head out sailing.  I think we need to look at what is said about this venture, for of all the things a 4 year old could do on a windy day it seems rather risky to me.

Had that occurred to the extent that it had caused a subdural hematoma then without exception there would have been bruising to the head or a bump which would have been visible.

Could posters please keep one eye on the topic heading when formulating replies. TY