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Offline sadie

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #210 on: September 18, 2016, 01:16:47 PM »
Maybe he could detect the cadaver odour without the dogs.
And didn't even bother to open the door and check?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #211 on: October 18, 2018, 11:30:04 AM »
During a discussion on another thread this claim was made;

Amaral claimed
These dogs, have solved 200 case
These dogs have never been wrong
Eddie alerted to a body under a, slab of concrete in Jersey
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10278.msg496751#msg496751

I have read the whole of this thread, but the above claims aren't included. It would be interesting to discuss them, so I would like to see cites showing where the claims appear.


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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #212 on: October 18, 2018, 11:34:05 AM »
During a discussion on another thread this claim was made;

Amaral claimed
These dogs, have solved 200 case
These dogs have never been wrong
Eddie alerted to a body under a, slab of concrete in Jersey
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10278.msg496751#msg496751

I have read the whole of this thread, but the above claims aren't included. It would be interesting to discuss them, so I would like to see cites showing where the claims appear.

all those quotes are genuine...im off out now but will provide cites later

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #213 on: October 18, 2018, 03:02:53 PM »
More recently, it's Eddie who helps to find a body buried under a flagstone at the former orphanage, Haut-de-la-Garenne, in Jersey, setting for a terrible case of paedophilia and child murder.
http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/2009/06/chapter-16.html#more

23.29 – The investigation uses two very special dogs that are used by the English and North American police, that have successfully solved over 200 cases

27.23 – The dogs’ reaction is revealing. These dogs have never failed in over 200 cases

joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/04/maddie-truth-of-lie-documentary.html

 
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Offline Sunny

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #214 on: October 18, 2018, 03:57:37 PM »
More recently, it's Eddie who helps to find a body buried under a flagstone at the former orphanage, Haut-de-la-Garenne, in Jersey, setting for a terrible case of paedophilia and child murder.
http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/2009/06/chapter-16.html#more

23.29 – The investigation uses two very special dogs that are used by the English and North American police, that have successfully solved over 200 cases

27.23 – The dogs’ reaction is revealing. These dogs have never failed in over 200 cases

joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/04/maddie-truth-of-lie-documentary.html

Davel, I see you have posted the cites but on a different thread to the request. Thank you.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #215 on: October 18, 2018, 03:59:50 PM »
Davel, I see you have posted the cites but on a different thread to the request. Thank you.

wrong again...the request I saw was on this thread post 211

Offline Sunny

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #216 on: October 18, 2018, 04:07:25 PM »
wrong again...the request I saw was on this thread post 211

Hardyhaha Davel. A different thread to my request.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #217 on: October 18, 2018, 06:10:32 PM »
Hardyhaha Davel. A different thread to my request.
It’s hard to keep track of your multiple cite requests. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #218 on: October 18, 2018, 06:39:21 PM »
More recently, it's Eddie who helps to find a body buried under a flagstone at the former orphanage, Haut-de-la-Garenne, in Jersey, setting for a terrible case of paedophilia and child murder.
http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/2009/06/chapter-16.html#more

23.29 – The investigation uses two very special dogs that are used by the English and North American police, that have successfully solved over 200 cases

27.23 – The dogs’ reaction is revealing. These dogs have never failed in over 200 cases

joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/04/maddie-truth-of-lie-documentary.html

When Amaral wrote his book in 2008 he wasn't the only one who thought Eddie was finding things at Haut de la Garenne;

Sniffer dog finds a child's remains
News | Published: Feb 25, 2008

THE remains of a child have been unearthed at a former Channel Islands children's home.
https://guernseypress.com/news/2008/02/25/sniffer-dog-finds-a-childs-remains/

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #219 on: October 18, 2018, 07:40:59 PM »
When Amaral wrote his book in 2008 he wasn't the only one who thought Eddie was finding things at Haut de la Garenne;

Sniffer dog finds a child's remains
News | Published: Feb 25, 2008

THE remains of a child have been unearthed at a former Channel Islands children's home.
https://guernseypress.com/news/2008/02/25/sniffer-dog-finds-a-childs-remains/

Just why was the Jersey police chief mistaken about that child's skull?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/just-why-did-the-jersey-police-chief-lie-about-that-childs-skull-6658367.html

may 2008...it was clear it wasnt true...what about the other two...there are more
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #220 on: October 18, 2018, 07:41:53 PM »
More recently, it's Eddie who helps to find a body buried under a flagstone at the former orphanage, Haut-de-la-Garenne, in Jersey, setting for a terrible case of paedophilia and child murder.
http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/2009/06/chapter-16.html#more

23.29 – The investigation uses two very special dogs that are used by the English and North American police, that have successfully solved over 200 cases

27.23 – The dogs’ reaction is revealing. These dogs have never failed in over 200 cases

joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/04/maddie-truth-of-lie-documentary.html

He does seem to say those things quoted in the documentary. Did he write his script himself? He doesn't make those points in his book as far as I know. Grime did mention 200 cases;

 In six years operational deployment in over 200 cases the dog has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

Grime also said;

'False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated operationally or in training.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #221 on: October 18, 2018, 07:44:20 PM »
He does seem to say those things quoted in the documentary. Did he write his script himself? He doesn't make those points in his book as far as I know. Grime did mention 200 cases;

 In six years operational deployment in over 200 cases the dog has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

Grime also said;

'False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated operationally or in training.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

eddie was never involved in 200 cases according to a freedom of information report posted here ...i think it was 37...in 5 years

Offline G-Unit

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #222 on: October 18, 2018, 07:50:19 PM »
eddie was never involved in 200 cases according to a freedom of information report posted here ...i think it was 37...in 5 years

So was Grime a liar?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #223 on: October 18, 2018, 07:51:29 PM »
So was Grime a liar?


if he said that he was....but the quote you gave reads 200 case searches

Offline G-Unit

Re: Did Gonçalo Amaral misinterpret the evidence?
« Reply #224 on: October 18, 2018, 07:55:59 PM »

if he said that he was....but the quote you gave reads 200 case searches

No it doesn't. Read it again.
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