Blood spatter? Fact or myth?

[stephen25000]

so your post is pure speculation...there is no evidence to support the splatter as being blood...therefore it is not  a fact

It is UNKNOWN.

That does not make it a myth.

Otherwise , by your logic, ABDUCTION IS A MYTH.

...and there is no forensic evidence to support an abduction

[ShiningInLuz]

the sofa and the curtains are not free from dust,,,they just were not swabbed...

Spots 14 and 15 were from the rear of the sofa.

It's not about what was swabbed.  It's about what lit up under the forensic inspection.  If it's human dust on the walls, there should be human dust on the curtains.  And if humans used the sofa, there should be human dust all over the sofa.

You are still evading all the questions.  No trace of Paul Gordon's extensive bleed.  How the cleaners removed this 'human dust'.  And why this 'human dust' showed up on the walls, but not on the soft furnishings.

[G-Unit]

If you have been reading this thread, Davel has.  If you think there is no difference between 'dust' and 'human dust' and that all 'dust' is largely human, please talk to my cleaner.  Hopefully she is back in Luz tomorrow to clean up our 'human dust'.  It would be an interesting conversation.

Two thirds of the dust in your house comes from outside, as dirt tracked in on your feet, and airborne particles like pollen and soot. The rest is mostly carpet fluff, clothes fibres and pet hair.
http://www.sciencefocus.com/qa/what-dust-made

[ShiningInLuz]

so your post is pure speculation...there is no evidence to support the splatter as being blood...therefore it is not  a fact

Read the topic title.  Blood spatter.  Fact or myth.

And if you can find a single post of mine that I have gone in favour of "blood spatter" then go for it.

The amount of solid evidence that says it is not blood, is ... that the dogs did not alert to the "splatter".  Do you trust in the dogs?

Please excuse me.  I need to go off and cook now.  Hopefully, I will get through my meal before watching Horizon on what makes overweight people eat too much.

[Mr Gray]

Spots 14 and 15 were from the rear of the sofa.

It's not about what was swabbed.  It's about what lit up under the forensic inspection.  If it's human dust on the walls, there should be human dust on the curtains.  And if humans used the sofa, there should be human dust all over the sofa.

You are still evading all the questions.  No trace of Paul Gordon's extensive bleed.  How the cleaners removed this 'human dust'.  And why this 'human dust' showed up on the walls, but not on the soft furnishings.

nothing lit up.....they were just stains...and there would be dust containg human cells all over then sofa

how extensive was Gordons bleed ...did any drop on the floor....what was used to clean it up...what importance is any of this as there was no match to maddie...

[Mr Gray]

Read the topic title.  Blood spatter.  Fact or myth.

And if you can find a single post of mine that I have gone in favour of "blood spatter" then go for it.

The amount of solid evidence that says it is not blood, is ... that the dogs did not alert to the "splatter".  Do you trust in the dogs?

Please excuse me.  I need to go off and cook now.  Hopefully, I will get through my meal before watching Horizon on what makes overweight people eat too much.

#I've read the topic and made two comments on it....fact or myth....well its not  a fact so what does that leave...its simple

[Alfie]

Your point was that a 2 years and 3 month old child could reach this height on furniture.

That's a no.

Davel introduced the child on shoulder, so unless you are Davel, stick to small child on furniture.  It's still a no!

Why is it a no?  Do you concede that you got the height of spot 9 wrong?

[Mr Gray]

It is UNKNOWN.

That does not make it a myth.

Otherwise , by your logic, ABDUCTION IS A MYTH.

...and there is no forensic evidence to support an abduction

the opening posts gives two alternatives for us to consider...fact or myth...if it is not  a fact then what is left...i will give you  a couple of hours to think it through

[John]

IF YOU DON'T TEST FOR BLOOD, HOW DO YOU RULE IN OR RULE OUT, BLOOD?

Apologies for the caps, but the simple, scientific fact is - the "spatter" was never tested for blood.

We are reliant on Eddie and Keela.  Are they superdogs or superdolts?

Does anyone know why were they not tested for blood or was it a case of being tested for several things but none showed a positive for blood.  Surely the marks on the wall contained sufficient material to be properly tested?

[Alfie]

IF YOU DON'T TEST FOR BLOOD, HOW DO YOU RULE IN OR RULE OUT, BLOOD?

Apologies for the caps, but the simple, scientific fact is - the "spatter" was never tested for blood.

We are reliant on Eddie and Keela.  Are they superdogs or superdolts?

God know why you are getting so irate.  It is a fact that there is no way of you proving it's a fact that there was blood spatter on the walls, or do you think you can?  If so, how?

[Mr Gray]

Two thirds of the dust in your house comes from outside, as dirt tracked in on your feet, and airborne particles like pollen and soot. The rest is mostly carpet fluff, clothes fibres and pet hair.
http://www.sciencefocus.com/qa/what-dust-made

are you trying to suggest house dust does not contain human skin...it certainly does

[John]

So let's see, the FSS failed to indentify blood from the spatter marks on the wall, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't blood there. So I don't see it as fact or myth, rather, just another unknown in this case.

Can I just add, even if blood had been found and identified as a perfect match to Madeleine, that in itself doesn't prove anything either way.

[Mr Gray]

So let's see, the FSS failed to indentify blood from the spatter marks on the wall, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't blood there. So I don't see it as fact or myth, rather, just another unknown in this case.

Can I just add, even if blood had been found and identified as a perfect match to Madeleine, that in itself doesn't prove anything either way.

if it was blood then the csi dog is a waste of space

[Mr Gray]

both dogs totally ignored visible remains so if it was blood both dogs are useless

[stephen25000]

the opening posts gives two alternatives for us to consider...fact or myth...if it is not  a fact then what is left...i will give you  a couple of hours to think it through

I don't need a couple of hours.

The thread title can be adjusted.

Perhaps John can do that.