Author Topic: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.  (Read 41125 times)

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Offline xtina

The claims stemmed from Almeida's interim report, superseded by the final PJ report and by the archiving dispatch (even more so) which could find no basis, even for recommending that the McCanns be charged.

Certainly by English libel law (including as amended by the recent defence, to those accused of libel, of honest comment) it would be incumbent on Amaral to make all those things clear, or he would be guilty of libel.

That is why Amaral's book will never be commercially sold in England; neither his film.

Or, if it is, he will be sued for libel under English libel law, and will lose.


that is in your op ...only ........like G A said ....the mccs don't own the English language.......

so FM we will have to wait and see.....not set in stone is it ......
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ferryman

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that is in your op ...only ........like G A said ....the mccs don't own the English language.......

so FM we will have to wait and see.....not set in stone is it ......

More pertinently the McCanns don't make English law.

Others do.

English libel law (framed by others) is as I indicate above.

Offline slartibartfast

Because none of it has yet been proved to be false or true.  As for Amaral, he wasn't 'booted off for incompetence' as you put it, he was reassigned because he spoke to the Press and criticised the English police involvement.  A Cardinal Sin for any police officer leading an investigation.

"Booted off for incompetence" is libel.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline slartibartfast

It has everything to do with Madeleine's parents.

Mark Harrison was invited to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered (sic):

(Mark Harrison)

The culmination of a murder enquiry was that Kate and Gerry were constituted arguido.

The enquiry accused Kate and Gerry of murder.

That's what enquiries do, unless you are suggesting the police can't accuse people of crimes?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

ferryman

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That's what enquiries do, unless you are suggesting the police can't accuse people of crimes?

Strawman.

Amaral claimed that (sic) we talked about death by others, not murder.

« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 05:54:47 PM by Brietta »

Alfie

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"Booted off for incompetence" is libel.
Is "The McCanns are crap parents who neglected their children" libel?

ferryman

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"Booted off for incompetence" is libel.

Amaral's incompetence is manifest in his book in my opinion.

Only someone incompetent would accuse the McCanns of transporting Madeleine somewhere dead in the back of the Renault Scenic (when the files make perfectly clear the provenance of Eddie's, proven, alert to the car).

Only someone incompetent would say Eddie had 'no hesitation' in picking out the Renault Scenic when we've all seen the video of the search.

Only someone incompetent (at most charitable); malevolent (at probably more accurate) would hold that the McCanns killed their eldest daughter with an overdose of calpol (combined with a bit of guesswork that she might have fallen off a sofa).
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 07:10:17 PM by John »

Offline Mr Gray

"Booted off for incompetence" is libel.

Surely his poor understAnding of the dog alerts and DNA was incompetent

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Is "The McCanns are crap parents who neglected their children" libel?

Oh I don't know but I don't see them running to challenge that big bad boy in a UK court anytime soon.
Of course it may well be an opinion someone is expressing...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

stephen25000

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Amaral's incompetence is manifest in his book.

Only someone incompetent would accuse the McCanns of transporting Madeleine somewhere dead in the back of the Renault Scenic (when the files make perfectly clear the provenance of Eddie's, proven, alert to the car).

Only someone incompetent would say Eddie had 'no hesitation' in picking out the Renault Scenic when we've all seen the video of the search.

Only someone incompetent (at most charitable); malevolent (at probably more accurate) would hold that the McCanns killed their eldest daughter with an overdose of calpol (combined with a bit of guesswork that she might have fallen off a sofa).

The very clear incompetence ferryman, is what started this case.

You are clearly on the offensive since your 'return' today.

Now please cite where it says in Amaral's book 'killed or mudered' ?

stephen25000

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Oh I don't know but I don't see them running to challenge that big bad boy in a UK court anytime soon.
Of course it may well be an opinion someone is expressing...

It most certainly is not.

After all they are where the case begins.

ferryman

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Quote
The Portuguese detective leading the Madeleine McCann investigation has been sacked from the inquiry after launching an astonishing public attack on his British counterparts.
Police chief accuses parents of hindering inquiry
In full: The Madeleine McCann case
Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral, 47, was dismissed from the position by the national director of the Judicial Police.

He had accused British detectives of only chasing leads Gerry and Kate McCann want followed up.

The move came after Portugal's Justice Minister Alberto Costa stepped into the row by insisting there is "fruitful cooperation" between the two countries' police forces over the inquiry.

Mr Costa said Portuguese police intend "to increase the collaboration" with their British counterparts and that the important thing is "to concentrate on the job and not on the comments" made by Mr Amaral.
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Mr Amaral, who was jointly in charge of the inquiry, was also dismissed from his post as the head of the Judicial Police in the Algarve town of Portimao.
The 47-year-old detective not only laid into police but also attacked the McCanns, accusing them of "creating and working on" lines of inquiry which they then pass onto Leicestershire Police to investigate.
Mr Amaral, who headed the Policia Judiciaria in the nearby town of Portimao and is himself under investigation for allegedly concealing evidence about an alleged assault on the mother of another missing child, was speaking to the daily newspaper Diario de Noticias.
The paper said the detective, who has come under fire in the British press for his "boozy" three-hour lunches and allegedly failing to investigate some of the tip-offs his 30-strong team of officers have received, was in an "explosive and indignant" mood during the brief interview.
Sources said his departure follows five months of gripes about the British police involved in the case.
A family friend said it was "just plain wrong" that Kate and Gerry, both 39-year-old doctors from Rothley in Leicestershire, were seeking to exert any influence on the investigation, adding that British police were only involved to act as a liaison between the family and Portuguese detectives.
And one of the McCanns' two Portuguese lawyers, Carlos Pinto Abreu, told Lisbon radio station TSF that Mr Amaral's comments were "in very poor taste" and "unhelpful to the investigation".
"The British police have only been working on that which the McCann couple want them to and which is most convenient for them," he said.
"The have only investigated tips and information developed and worked on for the McCanns, forgetting that the couple are formal suspects in the death of their daughter Madeleine."
Officially, Portuguese detectives say they appreciate British help and expertise - particularly forensic - but unofficially claim they feel patronised and bullied.
Leicestershire Police were reluctant to wade into the developing row, only saying they would "continue to support the Portuguese investigation".
The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell was equally cautious, saying: "Kate and Gerry consistently said that they wish to cooperate with the Portuguese authorities in the hunt for Madeleine and that remains the case."
Mr Amaral has reportedly investigated only two child murders in his 26-year police career and he is facing a criminal hearing for allegedly concealing evidence, after a woman jailed for the murder of her daughter claimed police officers tortured her into making a confession.
Leonor Cipriano, 36, claims she was forced to kneel on glass ashtrays with a bag over her head as police repeatedly hit her during almost 48 hours of questioning.
She is serving 16 years for the murder of her eight-year-old daughter Joana, even though the body has never been found and she has since retracted her statement.
Mr Amaral, a father-of-three, strenuously denies covering up the alleged abuse said to have been carried out by three of his colleagues.

That is from The Telegraph

Summary: incompetence
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 07:05:58 PM by John »

Offline Alice Purjorick

That is from The Telegraph

Summary: incompetence.

Post an extract of his personnel file showing he was given an OBE for incompetence and we might believe you.
If it's juts your usual rant you are pis***g in the wind.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline slartibartfast

Is "The McCanns are crap parents who neglected their children" libel?

Assuming this isn't your opinion, it would depend in what terms it was couched.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

ferryman

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Post an extract of his personnel file showing he was given an OBE for incompetence and we might believe you.
If it's juts your usual rant you are pis***g in the wind.

Order of the British Empire?

By the Portuguese?