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ferryman

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So the authorities were contemplating murder charges.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Kate McCann, Madeleine

So what was the precise "offer" ?
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Offline John

So the authorities were contemplating murder charges.

According to Kate they were.  My own view is that they were merely scaremongering, a bit like shaking the tree to see what falls out, a well known police tactic.

I have no doubt they could never have charged the parents with murder.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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So what was the precise "offer" ?

Admit to finding and moving 'a body' and you (Kate) will get a few years; OR (the pair, Kate and Gerry) face murder charges.

Offline mercury

Admit to finding and moving 'a body' and you (Kate) will get a few years; OR (the pair, Kate and Gerry) face murder charges.

Even if its true what you claim, so what? Police can do that, it has nothng to do with libel and frankly unsure why its beng discussed on this thread.

ferryman

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Even if its true what you claim, so what? Police can do that, it has nothng to do with libel and frankly unsure why its beng discussed on this thread.

You can't see why Amaral libelled the McCanns?

No surprises there, then.

Offline John

Sorry about the short interlude.  I have split this topic off from the libel thread and renamed it.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline mercury

You can't see why Amaral libelled the McCanns?

No surprises there, then.

Thats not an answer


Offline John

So what was the precise "offer" ?

Mercury posted this as post 53



From Madeleine,ch 16

The only conclusion I could draw was that we’d been framed, though this seemed completely implausible. Faced with something like this, way beyond the sphere of your experience, it is natural to dismiss it as impossible, but that doesn’t mean it is. When I thought about all that had happened so far, maybe anything was possible. In any event, it seemed we’d underestimated the magnitude of the fight we had on our hands. Even our own lawyer appeared to think, based on what he’d been told, that the police had a good case against us. I could see by this time that Gerry was starting to crack.

Then came the best bit. Carlos announced what the police had proposed. If we, or rather I, admitted that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment, and confessed to having hidden and disposed of her body, the sentence I’d receive would be much more lenient: only two years, he said, as opposed to what I’d be looking at if I ended up being charged with homicide.


Pardon? I really wasn’t sure if I could possibly have heard him correctly. My incredulity turned to rage. How dare they suggest I lie? How dare they expect me to live with such a charge against my name? And even more importantly, did they really expect me to confess to a crime they had made up, to falsely claim to the whole world that my daughter was dead, when the result would be that the whole world stopped looking for her? This police tactic might have worked successfully in the past but it certainly wasn’t going to work with me. Over my dead body. ‘You need to think about it,’ Carlos insisted. ‘It would only be one of you. Gerry could go back to work.’

I was speechless.

The incentive to accept this ‘offer’ seemed to be that if we didn’t agree to it, the authorities could or would go after us for murder, and if we were found guilty, we might both receive life sentences. Was this what it came down to? Confess to this lesser charge or risk something much worse?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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Mercury posted this as post 53



From Madeleine,ch 16

The only conclusion I could draw was that we’d been framed, though this seemed completely implausible. Faced with something like this, way beyond the sphere of your experience, it is natural to dismiss it as impossible, but that doesn’t mean it is. When I thought about all that had happened so far, maybe anything was possible. In any event, it seemed we’d underestimated the magnitude of the fight we had on our hands. Even our own lawyer appeared to think, based on what he’d been told, that the police had a good case against us. I could see by this time that Gerry was starting to crack.

Then came the best bit. Carlos announced what the police had proposed. If we, or rather I, admitted that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment, and confessed to having hidden and disposed of her body, the sentence I’d receive would be much more lenient: only two years, he said, as opposed to what I’d be looking at if I ended up being charged with homicide.


Pardon? I really wasn’t sure if I could possibly have heard him correctly. My incredulity turned to rage. How dare they suggest I lie? How dare they expect me to live with such a charge against my name? And even more importantly, did they really expect me to confess to a crime they had made up, to falsely claim to the whole world that my daughter was dead, when the result would be that the whole world stopped looking for her? This police tactic might have worked successfully in the past but it certainly wasn’t going to work with me. Over my dead body. ‘You need to think about it,’ Carlos insisted. ‘It would only be one of you. Gerry could go back to work.’

I was speechless.

The incentive to accept this ‘offer’ seemed to be that if we didn’t agree to it, the authorities could or would go after us for murder, and if we were found guilty, we might both receive life sentences. Was this what it came down to? Confess to this lesser charge or risk something much worse?

What the police had proposed.

Not their lawyer.

ferryman

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Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #100 on: June 08, 2016, 10:10:07 PM »
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The incentive to accept this offer seemed to be that if we didn't agree to it, the authorities could or would go after us for murder

Kate McCann.

Offline John

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #101 on: June 08, 2016, 10:11:25 PM »
What the police had proposed.

Not their lawyer.

Which is twice hearsay.  First by Carlos and a second time by Kate.

In any event and the crux of this is that there was no threat of being charged with homicide, merely the belief opined by Carlos.  The Portuguese police never stated to the arguidos, admit to accidental death or we will charge you with homicide.  They were never accused of murder.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 10:13:55 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #102 on: June 08, 2016, 10:15:18 PM »
Amaral DID NOT ACCUSE the Mccanns of 'killing or murdering' Madeleine.

However, your falsehoods have to be dealt with.

So it took 7 pages to unravel this.   %#&%4%

Feel free anyone to jump in if you think differently.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2016, 10:20:29 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #103 on: June 08, 2016, 10:21:42 PM »
So it took 7 pages to unravel this.   %#&%4%

Feel free anyone to jump in if you think differently.

Unravel what?

Stephen's ignorance of the difference between kill and murder?

ferryman

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Re: According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.
« Reply #104 on: June 08, 2016, 10:24:09 PM »
Which is twice hearsay.  First by Carlos and a second time by Kate.

In any event and the crux of this is that there was no threat of being charged with homicide, merely the belief opined by Carlos.  The Portuguese police never stated to the arguidos, admit to accidental death or we will charge you with homicide.  They were never accused of murder.

The culmination of a murder enquiry (confirmed by Mark Harrison in the files) was that Kate and Gerry were constituted arguido/a.

The rest speaks for itself.