According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.

[Alice Purjorick]

Mercury posted this as post 53



From Madeleine,ch 16

The only conclusion I could draw was that we’d been framed, though this seemed completely implausible. Faced with something like this, way beyond the sphere of your experience, it is natural to dismiss it as impossible, but that doesn’t mean it is. When I thought about all that had happened so far, maybe anything was possible. In any event, it seemed we’d underestimated the magnitude of the fight we had on our hands. Even our own lawyer appeared to think, based on what he’d been told, that the police had a good case against us. I could see by this time that Gerry was starting to crack.

Then came the best bit. Carlos announced what the police had proposed. If we, or rather I, admitted that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment, and confessed to having hidden and disposed of her body, the sentence I’d receive would be much more lenient: only two years, he said, as opposed to what I’d be looking at if I ended up being charged with homicide.

Pardon? I really wasn’t sure if I could possibly have heard him correctly. My incredulity turned to rage. How dare they suggest I lie? How dare they expect me to live with such a charge against my name? And even more importantly, did they really expect me to confess to a crime they had made up, to falsely claim to the whole world that my daughter was dead, when the result would be that the whole world stopped looking for her? This police tactic might have worked successfully in the past but it certainly wasn’t going to work with me. Over my dead body. ‘You need to think about it,’ Carlos insisted. ‘It would only be one of you. Gerry could go back to work.’

I was speechless.

The incentive to accept this ‘offer’ seemed to be that if we didn’t agree to it, the authorities could or would go after us for murder, and if we were found guilty, we might both receive life sentences. Was this what it came down to? Confess to this lesser charge or risk something much worse?

I was rather trying to find out what the actual offer was.
What we have here is Kate said Carlos said the police said.

[John]

I was rather trying to find out what the actual offer was.
What we have here is Kate said Carlos said the police said.

That's the point Alice, there was no offer, the PJ responded to Press reports put out by Gerry the following day, namely, "We don't do deals!"   The only time any deal was mentioned (according to Kate MCCann) was by Carlos to the parents the night before the arguido interviews.

[ferryman]

That'll (almost) do.



AND the words of Mark Harrison, who was tasked to investigate nothing but murder.

AND the terminological inexactitude of Amaral that (sic) we talked about death by others, not murder.

That will do.

[John]

That'll (almost) do.



AND the words of Mark Harrison, who was tasked to investigate nothing but murder.

AND the terminological inexactitude of Amaral that (sic) we talked about death by others, not murder.

That will do.

Harrison was merely an adviser ferryman, one of many.

[mercury]

The culmination of a murder enquiry (confirmed by Mark Harrison in the files) was that Kate and Gerry were constituted arguido/a.

The rest speaks for itself.

You like twisting so much, its pathetic

Mark Harrison actually stated the exact Opposite

This report has highlighted the extensive and professional efforts made by the Portuguese authorities regarding the search to locate Madeleine McCann alive. It has now begun to consider further opportunities to re search locations in order to address the possibility that she has been murdered and concealed nearby. This would be a proportionate and appropriate response given the elapsed time since her disappearance and previous experience in such similar cases. Should the investigators wish to discuss and develop the issues raised

[ferryman]

Harrison was merely an adviser ferryman, one of many.

Why did Amaral misquote Harrison as turning the enquiry into one for a little girl assumed dead?

And misquote Harrison as saying that Madeleine was buried in close proximity to the apartment, when Harrison's (tentative) conclusion was, that if death had occurred, it was most likely Madeleine's remains had been jettisoned into the sea?

[John]

Unravel what?

Stephen's ignorance of the difference between kill and murder?

I think posters should choose their terminology more carefully when broaching a subject like this.

[Brietta]

What the police had proposed.

Not their lawyer.

After admitting as directed, "that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment, and confessed to having hidden and disposed of her body ... ", then what?

" Where did you hide her body?"

"Where did you dispose of her remains?"

"Why did you dispose of her remains?"

"Who helped you to dispose of her body?"

Despite the investigation having been working to the Amaral theory suggested to Kate they had been unable to :-
(a)  come up with a hiding place for Madeleine's body to which the McCanns had access or local knowledge
(b)  they had been unable to come up with a credible disposal method the McCanns having no access to boats to
       take Madeleine out to sea for dumping, and I doubt they had any knowledge of the pet crematorium considering
       the case co-ordinator had no knowledge of it having dumped his own dead dog into a bin

Once the arguida had 'confessed' to covering up the death of her child it could not have been retracted and anyone who thinks the end result would not have been a murder charge with the voluntary 'confession' being the basis is in my opinion deluding themselves.

In the interim the actual perpetrator\s had their get out of jail card guaranteed.  Justice? Certainly not for the McCanns and certainly not for Madeleine McCann

[mercury]

Good grief!

Before the English arrived.

And?

What?
Good Grief?, before the English arrived? Wtf is that supposed to mean?
I have no idea why you are so intensely invested into misrepresenting simple facts so bizarrely, its not exactly getting you anywhere or much support from ANY quarter....al very strange

[John]

What happened and what might have happened are two entirely different things Brietta.  Bottom line is that there is no evidence whatsoever from any source to support any contention that the Portuguese Police accused the McCanns of homicide.

Ferryman is thus wrong in what he posted to begin with, Amaral did not accuse the McCanns of murder.

[Alice Purjorick]

Why did Amaral misquote Harrison as turning the enquiry into one for a little girl assumed dead?

And misquote Harrison as saying that Madeleine was buried in close proximity to the apartment, when Harrison's (tentative) conclusion was, that if death had occurred, it was most likely Madeleine's remains had been jettisoned into the sea?

Why not ask him?
Of course he might answer in the vein of John Paul Richter or Robert Browning.
“when I wrote that passage, God and I knew what it meant. It is possible that God knows it still; but as for me, I have totally forgotten.”

[Brietta]

What happened and what might have happened are two entirely different things Brietta.  Bottom line is that there is no evidence whatsoever from any source to support any contention that the Portuguese Police accused the McCanns of homicide.

Ferryman is thus wrong in what he posted to begin with, Amaral did not accuse the McCanns of murder.

I think the weakness in the accidental death theory promoted by Mr Amaral is the disappearance of the body.

Why would her parents dispose of Madeleine's body had she died accidentally unless to cover up something sinister?

If as alleged Kate was offered a deal if she confessed to disposing of Madeleine's body ... I have no doubt that it would have been a deal impossible to honour (if even legal) ... I think the prosecutors would have insisted on a murder charge and I think one or both McCanns would have gone down as a result.

It was unlikely the PJ would claim they suspected the McCanns of murder when they had no evidence even to charge them with complicity in disposing of her body.
They tried very hard to get that and failed.  If they had managed to get a 'confession' I believe that would have been a game changer and I think they would have gone for the jugular.

[ferryman]

The essential parts (of Harrison's report) are the ones that emphasise:

That he was given a brief by the PJ to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered

That Mark Harrison offered to investigate other possibilities or scenarios (sic) on request

That Mark Harrison's (tentative) final conclusion was that if Madeleine had been killed it was most likely her body had been jettisoned into the sea.

Contrasted with Amaral's terminological inexactitude in his book that Harrison said Madeleine was definitely dead.

That Madeleine's remains were concealed in close proximity to the apartment.

That Madeleine's parents were the most likely to be the ones responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.

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[mercury]

Brietta. Would you like to help ferryman out and quote anything at ALL that shows the PJ accused the mccanns of MURDER or would u just prefer to moderate posts whch attempt to stop this litany of falsehoods, your choice?

[John]

Brietta. Would you like to help ferryman out and quote anything at ALL that shows the PJ accused the mccanns of MURDER or would u just prefer to moderate posts whch attempt to stop this litany of falsehoods, your choice?

I have dealt with this.