According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide.

[Mr Gray]

That's the point Alice, there was no offer, the PJ responded to Press reports put out by Gerry the following day, namely, "We don't do deals!"   The only time any deal was mentioned (according to Kate MCCann) was by Carlos to the parents the night before the arguido interviews.

depends what is true.....the UK police certainly do deals...surely they are not the only police force that does......so where did this story come from...is it totally made up.

[xtina]

The essential parts (of Harrison's report) are the ones that emphasise:

That he was given a brief by the PJ to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered

That Mark Harrison offered to investigate other possibilities or scenarios (sic) on request

That Mark Harrison's (tentative) final conclusion was that if Madeleine had been killed it was most likely her body had been jettisoned into the sea.

Contrasted with Amaral's terminological inexactitude in his book that Harrison said Madeleine was definitely dead.

That Madeleine's remains were concealed in close proximity to the apartment.

That Madeleine's parents were the most likely to be the ones responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.

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That Madeleine's parents were the most likely to be the ones responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.

well they was...wasn't they.........by leaving maddie........ unprotected in the first place...

G A .was and still is ......trying to get to the truth...

by believing in the abduction in the first place............seems like ...many ...many.... clues were missed

[stephen25000]

That Madeleine's parents were the most likely to be the ones responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.

well they was...wasn't they.........by leaving maddie........ unprotected in the first place...

G A .was and still is ......trying to get to the truth...

by believing in the abduction in the first place............seems like ...many ...many.... clues were missed

In any investigation conducted thoroughly and logically, the Mccanns would be investigated.

So what about SY  ?

[Mr Gray]

In any investigation conducted thoroughly and logically, the Mccanns would be investigated.

So what about SY  ?

I would say SY have looked at all the evidence and have come to the conclusion that the mccanns are not involved...you would disagree

[xtina]

I would say SY have looked at all the evidence and have come to the conclusion that the mccanns are not involved...you would disagree

disagree ...what with your opinion ............

or the conclusion that SY ..........have come to ......of that you do not know...do you

[John]

depends what is true.....the UK police certainly do deals...surely they are not the only police force that does......so where did this story come from...is it totally made up.

There is no reason to disbelieve Kate since if it was untrue Carlos could have a case for defamation.  That said, the crux of it was the suggestion that the McCanns come clean and admit to the lesser charges was most probably put to Carlos by the PJ in the hope that they confess.  There was probably the threat of a homicide charge thrown in for good measure intended merely to scare the arguidos.

It must be understood however, and this is confirmed in Kate's book Madeleine, there was no deal put to the parents during the arguido interviews.  This was because the PJ cannot officially do deals.

[slartibartfast]

There is no reason to disbelieve Kate since if it was untrue Carlos could have a case for defamation.  That said, the crux of it was the suggestion that the McCanns come clean and admit to the lesser charges was most probably put to Carlos by the PJ in the hope that they confess.  There was probably the threat of a homicide charge thrown in for good measure intended merely to scare the arguidos.

It must be understood however, and this is confirmed in Kate's book Madeleine, there was no deal put to the parents during the arguido interviews.  This was because the PJ cannot officially do deals.

You can read what was said as a statement of fact rather than an offer, it makes just as much sense.

[Mr Gray]

You can read what was said as a statement of fact rather than an offer, it makes just as much sense.

its an offer

[ShiningInLuz]

its an offer

Is it?

The person to whom such an offer was made would have to come up with circumstances of death, then method of body disposal.

Body disposal would have to fit the time line established by the T9, and would be constrained by the facilities available to the McCanns.

And unless the disposal method makes the body disappear permanently, the confessor would need take the police to the body.  And there is no police force in the world, with a dead body on its hands, that would then say - we made an offer so we won't proceed to investigate the cause of death.

Kate's lawyer came out after the 'offer' story became news and said the 'offer' part was misunderstood.

What occurred is consistent with the police explaining to the lawyer that if Madeleine died accidentally and Kate disposed of the body, then her maximum possible sentence was quite light.

[Alfie]

Is it?

The person to whom such an offer was made would have to come up with circumstances of death, then method of body disposal.

Body disposal would have to fit the time line established by the T9, and would be constrained by the facilities available to the McCanns.

And unless the disposal method makes the body disappear permanently, the confessor would need take the police to the body.  And there is no police force in the world, with a dead body on its hands, that would then say - we made an offer so we won't proceed to investigate the cause of death.

Kate's lawyer came out after the 'offer' story became news and said the 'offer' part was misunderstood.

What occurred is consistent with the police explaining to the lawyer that if Madeleine died accidentally and Kate disposed of the body, then her maximum possible sentence was quite light.

False confessions happen quite regularly, sometimes resulting in incarceration for long periods of time, depending on the crime.  I don't understand your reasoning for why an offer wouldn't have been made on this basis.

[Lace]

why i am explaining this to you ...i just don't know ...


G A ...believes maddie died in a accident...........not killed or murdered.....

as for winning the appeal..............seems no one is interested in there reputation etc etc.....but the mccs

and.....as for the pain G A is supposed to have caused ...wouldn't you have thought ...there is no pain suffering worse than what they are supposed to have gone through....

it seemed the libel trial on the mccs part .....was for revenge ........or there own gains

it obviously showed to the not one but three judges.....one of whom the mccs tried to get rid of .....

they can't have it all the own way .........and if you can't see that ...tough.....

They have a child go missing that caused them a lot of pain,  then on top of that had Amaral write a book accusing them of covering up the death of their daughter,  imagine being accused of that,  that must have been dreadfully painful for them.

How would the McCann's try to get rid of a judge,  it was their lawyer who didn't want that particular judge there, it would be the lawyer who made those decisions.

[ShiningInLuz]

False confessions happen quite regularly, sometimes resulting in incarceration for long periods of time, depending on the crime.  I don't understand your reasoning for why an offer wouldn't have been made on this basis.

Since Kate didn't confess, false confessions are neither here nor there.

Amaral is clear in his book that body disposal after an accident would have attracted a surprisingly light sentence.

Communicating this information to Kate via the lawyer does not constitute an offer.  It is simply an explanation of the legal situation in Portugal.

Anyone suggesting that if Kate was involved in a non-accidental death, the police were willing to turn a blind eye to this more serious event, needs to come up with something stronger to support this theory.

[Alfie]

Since Kate didn't confess, false confessions are neither here nor there.

Amaral is clear in his book that body disposal after an accident would have attracted a surprisingly light sentence.

Communicating this information to Kate via the lawyer does not constitute an offer.  It is simply an explanation of the legal situation in Portugal.

Anyone suggesting that if Kate was involved in a non-accidental death, the police were willing to turn a blind eye to this more serious event, needs to come up with something stronger to support this theory.

Why bring up the subject of a light sentence if it wasn't seen as some sort of inducement to confess and get this whole inconvenience put to bed asap?

[Mr Gray]

Since Kate didn't confess, false confessions are neither here nor there.

Amaral is clear in his book that body disposal after an accident would have attracted a surprisingly light sentence.

Communicating this information to Kate via the lawyer does not constitute an offer.  It is simply an explanation of the legal situation in Portugal.

Anyone suggesting that if Kate was involved in a non-accidental death, the police were willing to turn a blind eye to this more serious event, needs to come up with something stronger to support this theory.

its called a plea bargain and it is obvious kate was offered one...no one has suggested the red highlight

[Mr Gray]

Is it?

The person to whom such an offer was made would have to come up with circumstances of death, then method of body disposal.

Body disposal would have to fit the time line established by the T9, and would be constrained by the facilities available to the McCanns.

And unless the disposal method makes the body disappear permanently, the confessor would need take the police to the body.  And there is no police force in the world, with a dead body on its hands, that would then say - we made an offer so we won't proceed to investigate the cause of death.

Kate's lawyer came out after the 'offer' story became news and said the 'offer' part was misunderstood.

What occurred is consistent with the police explaining to the lawyer that if Madeleine died accidentally and Kate disposed of the body, then her maximum possible sentence was quite light.

the pj have a way of dealing with suspects who have confessed and cant find the body.....it has happened before