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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #195 on: July 13, 2016, 02:43:53 PM »
So it appears there might be some confusion here.  Licences issued by the government seem to be for the pharmaceutical company rather than farmers.  Farmers are then under contract with the pharmaceutical company to follow their instructions.

It appears the government issued the first licences in the early noughties but it doesn't appear there was anything preventing WHF farming the poppies for an overseas pharmaceutical company as I mentioned in an earlier post.

@ about 3.10 in, the following tells how UK farmers are under contract with the pharmaceutical company to keep opium poppy growing private.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RZwRgtsAmxI
« Last Edit: July 16, 2016, 12:55:35 AM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #196 on: July 13, 2016, 03:05:24 PM »
Dr Ian Craig and Chief Sup George Harris looked at the poppies growing in a small area of a field.  I think the field must have been substantial and was used entirely for growing the poppies.  It makes no sense for a pharmaceutical company to arrange for a farmer to grow a small number.  If they wanted to experiment/trial they would surely have sufficient space/area on site?  Or could find sufficient space/area without involving a third party/farmer? 

I think it comes down to this, either WHF had some sort of legitimate contract with a government or pharmaceutical company here or overseas to grow opium poppies.  Or there was something illegal going on which is obviously a reason not to want the police visiting WHF.

Is there anyone here who has had or continues to have contact with JB who is prepared to write and ask about the opium poppies?
« Last Edit: July 13, 2016, 04:03:48 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline puglove

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #197 on: July 13, 2016, 10:53:41 PM »
Dr Ian Craig and Chief Sup George Harris looked at the poppies growing in a small area of a field.  I think the field must have been substantial and was used entirely for growing the poppies.  It makes no sense for a pharmaceutical company to arrange for a farmer to grow a small number.  If they wanted to experiment/trial they would surely have sufficient space/area on site?  Or could find sufficient space/area without involving a third party/farmer? 

I think it comes down to this, either WHF had some sort of legitimate contract with a government or pharmaceutical company here or overseas to grow opium poppies.  Or there was something illegal going on which is obviously a reason not to want the police visiting WHF.

Is there anyone here who has had or continues to have contact with JB who is prepared to write and ask about the opium poppies?

Holl, maybe you could contact Troods and ask her about the poppies? I'm guessing that she's flavour of the month at the moment....at least until she has to tell him that the donations haven't exactly flooded in.    8)><(

And she could also ask him if threatening Crispy with June's bible was a regular occurrence?

Ho ho!! I bet it wasn't!!
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline puglove

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #198 on: July 13, 2016, 11:08:01 PM »
Holl, maybe you could contact Troods and ask her about the poppies? I'm guessing that she's flavour of the month at the moment....at least until she has to tell him that the donations haven't exactly flooded in.    8)><(

And she could also ask him if threatening Crispy with June's bible was a regular occurrence?

Ho ho!! I bet it wasn't!!

I noticed tonight that Mike said that when he perved...sorry, LOOKED through the window, he wouldn't have been able to see Ralph's body.

a) Myster has proved that Ralph's body was clearly visible from the window.

b) There aren't many policemen who are only 5ft 2.

 8((()*/
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #199 on: July 14, 2016, 07:18:30 PM »
Holl, maybe you could contact Troods and ask her about the poppies? I'm guessing that she's flavour of the month at the moment....at least until she has to tell him that the donations haven't exactly flooded in.    8)><(

And she could also ask him if threatening Crispy with June's bible was a regular occurrence?

Ho ho!! I bet it wasn't!!

23 individuals signed up to JB's testimonial page 10k/23 = £434.78.  If they feel that strongly surely these people could club together and raise the funds overnight. 

http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #200 on: July 14, 2016, 07:47:31 PM »
Page 179 CAL's book:

"He [JB] was carrying a small bunch of opium poppies when Dr Ian Craig caught up with him.  Explaining that the farm had a special licence to grow them for the pharmaceutical industry..." 

CAL's source: 

"Ian Craig, notes for Essex Police 'A review of the Bamber Killings', November 1986.  Unless indicated otherwise, all quotes from Ian Craig in this chapter are from this source". Chapter 21, item 11.

Chief Sup George Harris WS:

"He [Dr Ian Craig] asked if I knew that the farm was especially licensed to grow the opium poppy, which I was not, and as a result we both went to look at a small area in a field on the right hand side of Pages Lane about a quarter of a mile beyond the farmhouse".

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=157.0;attach=106

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=157.0;attach=108

As far as I'm aware the above are the only references to the poppies.

I would like to know if Chief Sup Harris carried out any enquiries following JB's/Dr Craig's claims of a special licence for opium poppies.

On the morning of 7th Aug Chief Sup Harris and DCI Jones left WHF, together I believe, to travel to the main post office in Chelmsford for a pre-arranged meeting.  A car journey of some 30 mins.   Were the poppies discussed en route and subsequently investigated?

DCI Jones remained convinced he was dealing with a case of murder/suicide up until his untimely death as a result of a domestic accident during May 1986.

Chief Sup Harris, despite being the most senior officer at WHF on morning of 7th Aug, has remained silent over the years.  It's clear he was initially satisfied with the case being murder/suicide.

As I said in an earlier post if the  'poppies' were opium poppies and NB called JB, as he continues to claim, this could be the reason NB was reluctant to call/involve the police. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #201 on: July 14, 2016, 09:20:36 PM »
Page 179 CAL's book:

"He [JB] was carrying a small bunch of opium poppies when Dr Ian Craig caught up with him.  Explaining that the farm had a special licence to grow them for the pharmaceutical industry..." 

CAL's source: 

"Ian Craig, notes for Essex Police 'A review of the Bamber Killings', November 1986.  Unless indicated otherwise, all quotes from Ian Craig in this chapter are from this source". Chapter 21, item 11.

Chief Sup George Harris WS:

"He [Dr Ian Craig] asked if I knew that the farm was especially licensed to grow the opium poppy, which I was not, and as a result we both went to look at a small area in a field on the right hand side of Pages Lane about a quarter of a mile beyond the farmhouse".

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=157.0;attach=106

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=157.0;attach=108

As far as I'm aware the above are the only references to the poppies.

I would like to know if Chief Sup Harris carried out any enquiries following JB's/Dr Craig's claims of a special licence for opium poppies.

On the morning of 7th Aug Chief Sup Harris and DCI Jones left WHF, together I believe, to travel to the main post office in Chelmsford for a pre-arranged meeting.  A car journey of some 30 mins.   Were the poppies discussed en route and subsequently investigated?

DCI Jones remained convinced he was dealing with a case of murder/suicide up until his untimely death as a result of a domestic accident during May 1986.

Chief Sup Harris, despite being the most senior officer at WHF on morning of 7th Aug, has remained silent over the years.  It's clear he was initially satisfied with the case being murder/suicide.

As I said in an earlier post if the  'poppies' were opium poppies and NB called JB, as he continues to claim, this could be the reason NB was reluctant to call/involve the police.

I think you are really grasping at straws with this one. There is no way that NB would be growing anything illegal and even less likely that if he thought his life and the life of his family were at risk, his first thought would be a field full of poppies.

Offline Caroline

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #202 on: July 14, 2016, 09:23:19 PM »
23 individuals signed up to JB's testimonial page 10k/23 = £434.78.  If they feel that strongly surely these people could club together and raise the funds overnight. 

http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/

They obviously aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is. They can't be that certain that he's innocent.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #203 on: July 14, 2016, 11:20:35 PM »
I think you are really grasping at straws with this one. There is no way that NB would be growing anything illegal and even less likely that if he thought his life and the life of his family were at risk, his first thought would be a field full of poppies.

Would that be poppy straws?  8)--))

And you know this for a fact?

The possibilities are many eg NB was being blackmailed or threatened. 

BW said she thought NB looked worried pre tragedy and according to her NB feared he might be shot.

What have we got?  The most senior officer at WHF on morning of 7th Aug, Chief Sup Harris, making reference to opium poppies and a special licence in his WS... &%+((£
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #204 on: July 15, 2016, 11:52:21 AM »
Would that be poppy straws?  8)--))

And you know this for a fact?

The possibilities are many eg NB was being blackmailed or threatened. 

BW said she thought NB looked worried pre tragedy and according to her NB feared he might be shot.

What have we got?  The most senior officer at WHF on morning of 7th Aug, Chief Sup Harris, making reference to opium poppies and a special licence in his WS... &%+((£

Holly, this is starting to sound like one of Mike's theories. I'm not surprised Nevill was worried, it's more likely that he found out about who robbed Osea, that would be enough to worry anyone.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #205 on: July 15, 2016, 12:42:12 PM »
Holly, this is starting to sound like one of Mike's theories. I'm not surprised Nevill was worried, it's more likely that he found out about who robbed Osea, that would be enough to worry anyone.

Why are my posts about the opium poppies and special licence based on written testimony from Dr Ian Craig and Chief Sup George Harris sounding like one of Mike's theories?

If NB was genuinely worried pre tragedy, as described by BW, there could be many reasons.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #206 on: July 15, 2016, 01:00:36 PM »
Nope, only one... he thought someone, i.e. Jeremy, was going to shoot him...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU&feature=youtu.be&t=23m58s
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Opal

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #207 on: July 15, 2016, 06:09:56 PM »
 Nevill Bamber would never have gone against the law!  He was a magistrate for goodness sake! Like it or not, magistrates do have principles. JB was a thorn in his side, always bucking the system, yet still NB stood by him. There is no way NB would have planted a....all  but small...field of Poppies unless it was approved by law. NB was against any form of drugs, even sending his nephew packing from WHF when he found he was using cannabis, then locking the cannabis into his Safe in his office, only for JB to imply to A E that this cannabis was NB's by saying  "they would find a surprise when they looked into the Safe" after the murders. ( This also tells us that JB had been looking in the Safe himself hence BW's statement saying NB wanted to change the hiding place of the Safe key! )  The same thing applies when JB told Dr Craig they had a licence to grow opium poppies even though it appears they weren't duty bound to send a letter to confirm this. JB could well have only mentioned the poppies because he had picked some himself...probably to make him sick...therefore covering the reason he picked them in the first place.  The whole point of DS Harris Statement was to confirm his movements on the morning after the murder. Speaking to Dr Craig about the poppies was part of his explanation of his movements....We went ( Dr Craig and DS Harris ) to look at small area in a field to the right hand side of Pages Lane. We returned to the farm gateway where Dr Craig remained whilst I returned to the back of the house and spoke to DCI Jones regarding arrangements being made to interview JB".
No mention about the poppies. Dr Craig did mention earlier that JB bent over and looked like he was being sick.

Offline rotti

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #208 on: July 15, 2016, 11:11:33 PM »
Nevill Bamber would never have gone against the law!  He was a magistrate for goodness sake! Like it or not, magistrates do have principles. JB was a thorn in his side, always bucking the system, yet still NB stood by him. There is no way NB would have planted a....all  but small...field of Poppies unless it was approved by law. NB was against any form of drugs, even sending his nephew packing from WHF when he found he was using cannabis, then locking the cannabis into his Safe in his office, only for JB to imply to A E that this cannabis was NB's by saying  "they would find a surprise when they looked into the Safe" after the murders. ( This also tells us that JB had been looking in the Safe himself hence BW's statement saying NB wanted to change the hiding place of the Safe key! )  The same thing applies when JB told Dr Craig they had a licence to grow opium poppies even though it appears they weren't duty bound to send a letter to confirm this. JB could well have only mentioned the poppies because he had picked some himself...probably to make him sick...therefore covering the reason he picked them in the first place.  The whole point of DS Harris Statement was to confirm his movements on the morning after the murder. Speaking to Dr Craig about the poppies was part of his explanation of his movements....We went ( Dr Craig and DS Harris ) to look at small area in a field to the right hand side of Pages Lane. We returned to the farm gateway where Dr Craig remained whilst I returned to the back of the house and spoke to DCI Jones regarding arrangements being made to interview JB".
No mention about the poppies. Dr Craig did mention earlier that JB bent over and looked like he was being sick.
very interesting ,opal &%+((£

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #209 on: July 16, 2016, 12:47:04 AM »
Nevill Bamber would never have gone against the law!  He was a magistrate for goodness sake! Like it or not, magistrates do have principles. JB was a thorn in his side, always bucking the system, yet still NB stood by him. There is no way NB would have planted a....all  but small...field of Poppies unless it was approved by law. NB was against any form of drugs, even sending his nephew packing from WHF when he found he was using cannabis, then locking the cannabis into his Safe in his office, only for JB to imply to A E that this cannabis was NB's by saying  "they would find a surprise when they looked into the Safe" after the murders. ( This also tells us that JB had been looking in the Safe himself hence BW's statement saying NB wanted to change the hiding place of the Safe key! )  The same thing applies when JB told Dr Craig they had a licence to grow opium poppies even though it appears they weren't duty bound to send a letter to confirm this. JB could well have only mentioned the poppies because he had picked some himself...probably to make him sick...therefore covering the reason he picked them in the first place.  The whole point of DS Harris Statement was to confirm his movements on the morning after the murder. Speaking to Dr Craig about the poppies was part of his explanation of his movements....We went ( Dr Craig and DS Harris ) to look at small area in a field to the right hand side of Pages Lane. We returned to the farm gateway where Dr Craig remained whilst I returned to the back of the house and spoke to DCI Jones regarding arrangements being made to interview JB".
No mention about the poppies. Dr Craig did mention earlier that JB bent over and looked like he was being sick.

Most of us have principles.  Is there any evidence showing magistrates are more principled than non-magistrates?     

I haven't heard a bad word said against NB.  And I agree it seems  unlikely he would be involved in any sort of wrongdoing but a good police investigation surely keeps an open mind and doesn't rule anything or anyone in or out until the matter has been thoroughly investigated?  Over the last few years we have witnessed wrongdoing and incompetence on a grand scale in places we would not expect: banking, Iraq war, child sex abuse by clergy, Harold Shipman, Jimmy Savile to name but a few examples.  One of the reasons given for how these events occurred was that too few people challenged the status quo.

I doubt the cannabis found in the safe belonged to Roland Pargeter.  The Bambers had RP staying with them during 1973 in an attempt to rid him of hide cannabis habit.  Why would NB keep a small piece of cannabis in his safe for 12 years? He would surely destroy it?

It comes down to this: written testimony exists from a medical doctor and police chief superintendent, both highly experienced, that WHF had a special licence to grow opium poppies based on what they were told by JB and observing the poppies in situ.  If this was found not to be the case why wasn't JB interviewed about it and why wasn't it used against him at trial?  If the police didn't investigate this, why not?  JB agreed to EP destroying the carpets at their suggestion.  As far as I'm aware this didn't extend to the opium poppies?

MM's property was searched and his cannabis plants sent for analysis.  I would expect EP to ask to see the special licence, check out who issued it and confirm all was in order and send the plants for analysis.

Chief Sup Harris did make reference to the opium poppies in his witness statement.

"He [Dr Craig] asked if I knew the farm was specially licenced to grow opium poppies, which I was not, and as a result we both went to look at a  small area in a field on the right hand side of Pages Lane about a quarter of a mile beyond the farmhouse."

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=157.0;attach=106

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=157.0;attach=108

Small area doesn't mean a small number of poppies.  The whole field could be filled with opium poppies with Dr Craig and Chief Sup Harris looking at a small area.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2016, 12:56:21 AM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?