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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #270 on: July 21, 2016, 03:54:06 PM »


I don't believe a licence is required to grow any part of the opium poppy.  I assume the reason for this is that until the opium is extracted and processed into POM or heroin they are benign eg culinary and ornamental.  The process is fairly complicated and requires knowledge and other chemicals which are not widely available.  Conversely it is illegal to grow cannabis plants.  I assume because they have no benign purpose.  The reason they are grown is to produce cannabis which is illegal and it is simple to convert the plant for use eg smoking.   

I am not suggesting WHF was in financial difficulty.  It is often said it was very profitable but I haven't seen the accounts to know whether it was or it wasn't.  I was just pointing out NB was not cash rich as he had a 120k bank overdraft at the time of his death.  This was cleared by selling two of the flats.  Mind you 31 years ago 120k was a lot of cash which other than the extremely wealthy most were unlikely to have sitting around in a bank account.  NB also purchased 48.5 acres at Little Renters.  He payed £2,000 per acre so a total of £97,000.  June contributed £25,000 cash and NB took out a loan of £72,000 to cover the remainder but according to JB this had almost been paid for at the time of NB's death.  This loan might have qualified for tax relief against loan payments so there might have been some benefit of taking out a loan even if the cash was available. 

I have read the above in WS's but sometimes it's easier to quote CAL who I think we all agree is a reliable source as all her claims are backed up with WS's etc: Pages 101 and 102.

Page 101 of CAL:

"Profits had risen considerably due to the crop diversity, including cultivation of plants for the pharmaceutical companies".   &%+((£

JB was interviwed about his concerns about June leaving her estate to charity.  I think ? MM said something along those lines too?   However CAL Page 288, interview with BC, apparently JB was unhappy about June giving her money out of income to the church as opposed to leaving any or all of her estate to the church.  The reason being that "the farm needed so much".  Please bear in mind that June suffered mental illness and delusions surrounding her religious beliefs.  If June was giving away substantial amounts of her income to the church at the expense of the upkeep of the farm was this in the farms interest? 

The opium poppies were unlikely to be eligible for EU subsidies.  From all the info available online it doesn't appear there's any history of UK farmers exporting opium poppies overseas for pharmaceutical companies.  If indeed it was legal to do so.  We know for a fact opium poppy production for the pharmaceutical industry didn't go live in this country until 2006.

Yes other farmers could have legally grown opium poppies for seeds or ornamental purposes but was this profitable.  When I said NB had the means to grow opium poppies I was meaning most individuals do not have available land to grow opium poppies on a large scale.

I think most people realise opium poppies produce morphine (and heroin)?  The world's main grower of opium poppies is Afghanistan.  Due to the many conflicts in that country it is often in the papers and on the news.

We don't know there was only a small field.  All we know is that Dr Craig and Chief Sup Harris looked at a small area of a field where the opium poppies were growing.  This could mean the poppies were restricted to a small area or they looked at a small area as opposed to a full scale perimeter of the field which was full of opium poppies. 

When I mentioned crude labs in fields I was meaning NB's experience during WW2 not crude labs on Bamber owned property.

http://www.mtaofnj.org/content/WWII%20Combat%20Medic%20-%20Dave%20Steinert/wwii.htm

Today the farmers responsibility ends with planting and maintaining the opium poppies until harvesting.  At the point the poppies are ready for harvesting the pharmaceutical company sends in its own people and equipment to harvest and remove.  But that's today.  Legal growing and harvesting of opium poppies for the pharamacutical industry only went live in the UK during 2006.

Yes NB was known as a 'pillar of society' and I agree based on all written accounts etc it is difficult to comprehend him being involved in anything illegal but I can't account for a "special licence" for growing opium poppies for the pharmaceutical industry so I will be keeping an open mind as to what it was all about.

Many upholders of the law end up in jail eg police officers and judges. 
« Last Edit: July 21, 2016, 04:03:35 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #271 on: July 21, 2016, 07:14:35 PM »

Yes NB was known as a 'pillar of society' and I agree based on all written accounts etc it is difficult to comprehend him being involved in anything illegal but I can't account for a "special licence" for growing opium poppies for the pharmaceutical industry so I will be keeping an open mind as to what it was all about.

Many upholders of the law end up in jail eg police officers and judges.

I can, Jeremy was spinning a yarn to divert attention away from his ham acting.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #272 on: July 21, 2016, 07:40:19 PM »
I can, Jeremy was spinning a yarn to divert attention away from his ham acting.

JB was questioned about everything from the time he claimed he received the phone call from NB to the time he cooked himself some breakfast.  Why would interviewing officers miss out his claims of a "special licence" especially if they had reason to believe he was spinning a yarn to divert attention away from his ham acting as you claim?

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #273 on: July 21, 2016, 08:26:19 PM »
JB was questioned about everything from the time he claimed he received the phone call from NB to the time he cooked himself some breakfast.  Why would interviewing officers miss out his claims of a "special licence" especially if they had reason to believe he was spinning a yarn to divert attention away from his ham acting as you claim?

Because it had nothing to do with the murders.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #274 on: July 21, 2016, 08:37:57 PM »
Because it had nothing to do with the murders.

But if JB was spinning a yarn to divert attention away from his ham acting this was something to do with the murders.  Have you got any ideas why he wasn't questioned about this?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #275 on: July 21, 2016, 08:54:15 PM »
But if JB was spinning a yarn to divert attention away from his ham acting this was something to do with the murders.  Have you got any ideas why he wasn't questioned about this?

I suspect no one gave it a second thought. Had he been questioned, all he had to say was that's what he was told. No way to know that he was purposely lying.

Offline Opal

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #276 on: July 21, 2016, 08:58:14 PM »
Thanks for your reply Holly. I can't find an account of why it was suspect to grow opium poppies with or without a 'special licence' in 1985

Many upholders of the law end up in jail eg police officers and judges. Yes, and thankfully a lot more Judges and Police send guilty people to prison.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #277 on: July 21, 2016, 09:07:06 PM »
I suspect no one gave it a second thought. Had he been questioned, all he had to say was that's what he was told. No way to know that he was purposely lying.

I would have thought a good place to start would be to ask him about the "special licence".  Then take it from there.

We've no way of knowing whether or not he was purposely lying about many aspects of the case eg phone call from NB but it didn't stop him being questioned about it.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #278 on: July 21, 2016, 09:16:39 PM »
Thanks for your reply Holly. I can't find an account of why it was suspect to grow opium poppies with or without a 'special licence' in 1985

Many upholders of the law end up in jail eg police officers and judges. Yes, and thankfully a lot more Judges and Police send guilty people to prison.

It's JB's claims of a "special licence" to grow opium poppies for the pharmaceutical industry that raise suspicions.  The Home Office granted the first UK pharma company a licence for morphine production in 2006.  There's lots of confirmation of this in the thread.  I would recommend you have a little Google and check it out Opal.  If I'm wrong I look forward to a slow burn when you shoot me down in flames  ?>)()<

Most people whether they be upholders of the law or not are law abiding but I don't buy into the idea because someone is a magistrate and church warden that this is somehow confirmation that he/she would not break the law. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #279 on: July 21, 2016, 09:23:26 PM »
I've long been fascinated by the role of Chief Sup George Harris in the investigation.  He was the most senior officer at WHF on morning of 7th Aug and Divisional Commander for Chelmsford Police.  At the time of the WHF case he had commanded over sixty murder investigations during his 23 years In CID. 

CAL Page 240:

"DI Miller's meeting with Chief Sup George Harris had left him 'in the doghouse' due to his refusal to conform with the accepted theory Sheila was the killer.

CAL's source:

Michael Barlow COLP (1991) notes for 15th Aug 1985.

When JM 'confessed' to EP, DI Miller took part in the interviews.  He contacted Chief Sup George Harris, who was off duty at the time, to advise him of JM's 'confession' and asked if he wanted to attend.  Chief Sup Harris said he had guests and to call out the superintendent on duty.

CAL Page 296:

"But George Harris was the Chief Sup Div Commander and present at White House Farm on the morning of the murders.  Now, Harris had been a detective superintendent for fifteen years.  And on that first morning he and Taff Jones decided Bamber was telling the truth.

Source: Michael Ainsley author interviews 2013

We know Chief Sup Harris was aware of the opium poppies and JB's claims of a special licence because he states such in his WS's:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=157.0;attach=106

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=157.0;attach=108

If he knew for a fact there was something untoward with the opium poppies, or strongly suspected, he may have realised this was a good reason for NB's reluctance to call EP and have them visiting the farm.   
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #280 on: July 21, 2016, 11:16:50 PM »
I would have thought a good place to start would be to ask him about the "special licence".  Then take it from there.

We've no way of knowing whether or not he was purposely lying about many aspects of the case eg phone call from NB but it didn't stop him being questioned about it.

He had to be asked about the phone call Holly, it was the start of the whole thing, the poppies on the other hand don't relate and even if it could be proven that the poppy story is more poppy cock that poppy fact, he could just claim that that's what he was told.

Offline Opal

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #281 on: July 21, 2016, 11:20:34 PM »
It's JB's claims of a "special licence" to grow opium poppies for the pharmaceutical industry that raise suspicions.  The Home Office granted the first UK pharma company a licence for morphine production in 2006.  There's lots of confirmation of this in the thread.  I would recommend you have a little Google and check it out Opal.  If I'm wrong I look forward to a slow burn when you shoot me down in flames  ?>)()<


Most people whether they be upholders of the law or not are law abiding but I don't buy into the idea because someone is a magistrate and church warden that this is somehow confirmation that he/she would not break the law.

Misuse of Drugs Act 1971
The Secretary of State may by regulations- Authorisation (a) except from section 3(1)(a) or (b), 4(1)(a) or (b) or 5(1)  activities of this Act such controlled drugs as may be specified in unlawful the regulations ; and under (b) make such other provision as he thinks fit for the foregoing purpose of making it lawful for persons to do things provisions. which under any of the following provisions of this Act, that is to say sections 4(1), 5(1) and 6(1), it would otherwise be unlawful for them to do. (2) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (b) of subsection (1) above, regulations under that subsection authorising the doing of any such thing. as is mentioned in that paragraph may in particular provide for the doing of that thing to be lawful- (a) if it is done under and in accordance with the terms of a licence or other authority issued by the Secretary
 that it is not unlawful under section 50) of this Act for a doctor, dentist, veterinary` practitioner, veterinary surgeon, pharmacist or person lawfully conducting a retail pharmacy business to have a controlled drug in his possession for the purpose of acting in his capacity as such. (4) If in the case of any controlled drug the Secretary of State is of the opinion that it is in the public interest (a) for production, supply and possession of that drug to be either wholly unlawful or unlawful except for purposes of research or other special purposes ; or (b) for it to be unlawful for practitioners, pharmacists and persons lawfully conducting retail pharmacy businesses to do in relation to that drug any of the things mentioned in subsection (3) above except under a licence or other authority
Looks like there was a 'Licence' available in 1971 issued by the Secretary of State.

Offline Opal

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #282 on: July 21, 2016, 11:25:54 PM »
What! Thought that's me done on here for tonight, turned the tele on to BBC 1.....what's it about the growth of poppies for drugs in Mexico!!!  %£&)**#

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #283 on: July 22, 2016, 03:25:37 PM »
He had to be asked about the phone call Holly, it was the start of the whole thing, the poppies on the other hand don't relate and even if it could be proven that the poppy story is more poppy cock that poppy fact, he could just claim that that's what he was told.

Yes I agree JB had to be asked about the phone call but there was no way of knowing whether or not he was being truthful. 

As far as I'm aware police officers don't take the view that there's no point asking questions that can't be proved one way or another.  They surely ask as many questions as possible to look for inconsistencies, build pictures and check for reactions? 

Everything JB said and did whilst stood outside WHF on 7th Aug was put under the microscope except his claims the farm had a special licence to grow opium poppies for the pharmaceutical industry &%+((£

You claim the opium poppies don't relate.   How do you know this?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline rotti

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #284 on: July 22, 2016, 03:29:28 PM »
He had to be asked about the phone call Holly, it was the start of the whole thing, the poppies on the other hand don't relate and even if it could be proven that the poppy story is more poppy cock that poppy fact, he could just claim that that's what he was told.
yes poppycock sounds right caroline @)(++(*