Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?

[Caroline]

On what basis?

On the basis of pure common sense.

[Holly Goodhead]

Nevill's best friend.

Had a quick flick through CAL and RB made mention of NB in tears over something JB said.  But someone else seems to contradict this by saying NB would walk away from domestics.   

Is there a parent on the planet who hasn't at some stage suffered unreasonable verbal/behaviour from their teenage/20 something child?  Perhaps one of the reasons why 'Kevin' was loved and loathed in equal measures!

https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=moz35&p=kevin+youtube+harry+enfield+i+hate+you#id=3&vid=f9df7e71c6fb2975e5951332adb9e358&action=click

[Holly Goodhead]

On the basis of pure common sense.

Well I don't see how practical judgement can be applied when so little is known about the poppies.  There are too many anomalies and unanswered questions to my mind to rule anything in or out.

[APRIL]

Had a quick flick through CAL and RB made mention of NB in tears over something JB said.  But someone else seems to contradict this by saying NB would walk away from domestics.   

Is there a parent on the planet who hasn't at some stage suffered unreasonable verbal/behaviour from their teenage/20 something child?  Perhaps one of the reasons why 'Kevin' was loved and loathed in equal measures!

https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=moz35&p=kevin+youtube+harry+enfield+i+hate+you#id=3&vid=f9df7e71c6fb2975e5951332adb9e358&action=click

It wasn't RB who told me. I'd hazard a guess that it had been many years since RB could have been described as Nevill's BF. I wasn't told the specifics of the argument, but all these years on, he was still shaken by the memory of the violence of the verbal attack. It must have been as appalling for Nevill if it caused his to break down in front of his friend.

[Nicholas]

Well I don't see how practical judgement can be applied when so little is known about the poppies.  There are too many anomalies and unanswered questions to my mind to rule anything in or out.

To what anomalies and unanswered questions do you refer Holly? There are none.

And why are you choosing to suggest NB, a murder victim, was up to no good in relation to opium/heroin or whatever prior to his murder? He wasn't!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EQBxzfW3vSc

And here's Sherlock from blue https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCART1vcCo  doing an impression of deputy dawg

[Holly Goodhead]

It wasn't RB who told me. I'd hazard a guess that it had been many years since RB could have been described as Nevill's BF. I wasn't told the specifics of the argument, but all these years on, he was still shaken by the memory of the violence of the verbal attack. It must have been as appalling for Nevill if it caused his to break down in front of his friend.

Without knowing the detail and having a signed wit stat not much to go on really.  I think the friend might have been Michael Leyland. 

[APRIL]

Without knowing the detail and having a signed wit stat not much to go on really.  I think the friend might have been Michael Leyland.

 

[Holly Goodhead]

I understand the seeds for the opium poppies farmed at WHF were sourced from here:

https://www.kingsseeds.com/Products/Flowers-N-Z/Poppy/POPPY-OPIUM-(Papaver-somniferum)-A-Po?returnurl=/Products/Flowers-N-Z/Poppy&pn=1&ps=12&sb=NodeOrder&lm=grid_template&b=true

£1.30 for 750 seeds.

The following vid shows how easy it would be to convert the poppies into heroin.  When I say easy I mean it doesn't take a state of the art lab resembling GSK just a makeshift lab.  The profits would be vast.

https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=moz35&p=how+to+make+heroin#id=6&vid=4a002a269aba9042a62845edc27f9497&action=click

[Holly Goodhead]

As none of us really know NB, we don't don't know if he was emotional or not but I di think it's safe to say that he did NOT grw poppies for the BM!

I agree our views on the various characters based on interpretation of various material are pretty meaningless. The main reason I said NB doesn't seem the type for emotional outpourings is that I know for a fact the RAF uses psychometric testing for fighter pilots and it seems unlikely anyone overly emotional would qualify.  I accept people can compartmentalise. 

I've no idea why you are so dismissive of the opium poppies when they appear unexplained:

- No evidence UK gov or other authorities granted permission to UK farmers to grow opium poppies for the pharma industry in 1985.

- If JB's claims of a special licence for the pharma industry as told by Dr Craig were untrue then why wasn't this used against JB?  It would show him as less than straight forward.

[Holly Goodhead]

Reading some of the posts on Blue about those lovely 'Essex Boy's'.  It seems the drugs ending up on Essex streets originated from Holland with supplies coming in via boat and light aircraft.  Apparently the distribution network involved some 50 people which they managed to get down to 5 to increase profits.  I don't know if this number was from producer to street seller or just distributors. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Your perogative but I think it's way off the mark.

What do you think the intended purpose was?

[Caroline]

What do you think the intended purpose was?

I recall Jeremy mentioning why they grew them but can't remember the reason or where I read it - I believe they were for medicinal purposes?

[Holly Goodhead]

I recall Jeremy mentioning why they grew them but can't remember the reason or where I read it - I believe they were for medicinal purposes?

JB told Dr Craig WHF had a licence to grow opium poppies for the pharma ind.  This is confirmed by Dr Craig who relayed this to Chief Sup Harris who confirmed in his WS. 

The whole thing is a mystery to me.  Found the following earlier today it confirms the UK tried growing OP's in 1957 but it didn't take off due to weather conditions. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/pharmaceuticalsandchemicals/11449540/Legal-highs-GSK-sells-off-worlds-biggest-opium-poppy-field.html

http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Opium-in-Victorian-Britain/

[Holly Goodhead]

The following vid explains how opium is extracted from poppies.  Apparently it is brown when removed.  I'm wondering if the substance found in the safe was opium?  I believe tests are carried out to check purity.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tlr_w3rXX5o

JB told AE she would find a surprise when she opened the safe.  Also in the safe was some correspondence from Roland Pargeter.  The surprise appears to have been a substance in the safe which resembled cannabis resin which AE linked to RP on the basis he stayed at WHF in 1974 whilst the Bambers were helping him off drugs.  This makes no sense if NB confiscated drugs off of RP in 1974 why would they be in the safe 11 years later?  JB was 13 at the time.  Why would he recall the incident?  Why would it be at the forefront of his mind to pass on to AE ie surprise when open safe?  JB was obviously aware off the substance in the safe.  If it had been confiscated off of SC surely JB would say as it would be relevant to her his witness stat.  Had NB confiscated off of JB he would surely either return it to JB when he departed from WHF or destroy it. 

Could the substance in the safe be linked to the opium poppies?  Maybe it was about the right time for harvesting and daily checks were being made? 

Again the relatives had no right to take this matter into their own hands.  The substance should have been handed to the police for analysis. 

If NB and JB were both involved in some sort of wrongdoing with the poppies it would explain the phone calls.  NB's reluctance to contact the police and JB's dithering. Not only would they fear the police but other criminals they might have been working with.

[Holly Goodhead]

I wrote to JB a while ago about the poppies and this is what he said in a letter dated 22nd July 2015:

"Now this is an odd thing because you believe that the first licence to grown opium poppies was not granted until the naughties.  You are of course correct growing a few opium poppies is not illegal in and of itself, its illegal to grow a large quantity for commercial use - it must be otherwise loads of  them would be grown and  harvested, with the only illegal bit being when the opium is extracted - which could be done in a secret lab.

I'm guessing that we grew them under a sub contract with Kings Seeds of Coggeshall - they organised the trial, it was home office approved as a man from the ministry of agriculture visited to see that all was above board - we had to grow them at least 1/2 a mile from a main road and 1/2 a mile from a footpath.

The bit about me and Dr Craig going by the field growing the poppies is nonsense, we were nowhere near the area where the poppies were being grown.

Noone knew we grew poppies, no criminals could have known, I cannot recall how I came to tell Dr Craig about them, I think he simply asked me what crops we grew on the farm, thing was dad and I used to grow all sorts of new things, like borrage, evening primrose, lupins and fenugreek only on a small scale - though we went a bit mad with the borage cos we made so much money with that crop as we found out how to harvest it without it dropping its seeds.  So all that nonsense about me showing Dr Craig an opium poppy is nonsense.  It was a passing comment, and Essex police would have been aware - though I'm guessing the licence was with the ministry of AG and Kings Seeds.

Anyway hope that helps".



Kings seeds:

https://www.kingsseeds.com/

Still think it sounds iffy.  If NB was growing opium poppies illegally a visit from 'the man at ministry of AG' would provide a plausible explanation to those working/living at WHF:  June, JB, BW, LF and other farm workers.  Unless the individual was verified by way of photographic evidence and a call made to Min of Ag to confirm the individual was a bona fide employee it's not evidence of anything. 

Dr Craig recalled JB saying WHF had a licence to grow opium poppies for the pharma industry.  What have Kings Seeds got to do with the pharma ind?