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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #390 on: December 14, 2017, 09:15:47 AM »
Neither is there evidence that they weren't.

Only one way to confirm and that's write to the Home Office/Ministry of Agriculture (I think it's now known as Dept environment, food and rural affairs (DEFRA) asking if it granted any special licences around the 80's for UK based farmers to cultivate opium poppies for pharmaceutical companies. 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/282532/response/689456/attach/html/3/36157%20Response.pdf.html
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #391 on: December 14, 2017, 09:26:06 AM »
Only one way to confirm and that's write to the Home Office/Ministry of Agriculture (I think it's now known as Dept environment, food and rural affairs (DEFRA) asking if it granted any special licences around the 80's for UK based farmers to cultivate opium poppies for pharmaceutical companies. 

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/282532/response/689456/attach/html/3/36157%20Response.pdf.html

JB said a man from the ministry of agriculture visited the farm to ensure all was above board.  According to JB this man told NB/JB the poppies had to be grown 1/2 a mile from roads/footpaths.  The dept should have some record of what its policy and procedures were at that time.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #392 on: December 14, 2017, 12:45:17 PM »
Assuming the relevant gov dept are in a position to respond to a request for information under the 'freedom of information act' I think it's a racing cert the relevant dept will confirm that NB/WHF were not granted any special gov licence to grow opium poppies let alone the ministry of agriculture sending a representative to ensure all was above board who according to JB said the opium producing poppies must be grown 1/2 a mile from roads/footpaths.  Why would it be otherwise when the legislation under the misuse of drugs act 1971 clearly sets out the position.  The legislation was ameneded/updated in 2001 which has no bearing on NB/WHF.

Here's another similar request for info where the individual seeking info was advised by a representative from the Home Office of the following:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/85941/response/218225/attach/html/3/CR20001%20Response.pdf.html

The activity of cultivating opium poppies (papaver somniferum) for medicinal use or any other use
is not a licensable activity as prescribed in the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971.
 

It seems there's little point in writing to confirm since the legislation pertaining to the cultivation of opium poppies by UK farmers in 1985 falls under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 and is set out in the letter above.

WHF/NB did not require a licence to cultivate opium poppies for the pharmaceutical industry since it is not a licensable acitivity.  As such the Home Office would not send a representative to WHF to check all was above board as per JB's claims let alone dictate where on the farm the plants can and can't be grown.  So what's it all about?  Seems to me either JB is BSing for whatever reason(s) or something dodgy was going on down on the farm!

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/38/contents   
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #393 on: December 14, 2017, 01:23:43 PM »
So to clarify the relevant points:

- WHF 7th Aug '85 according to Dr Craig's testimony he found JB clutching a bunch of opium poppies which he picked from a field upon being told the news about his family.  JB told Dr Craig WHF has a special licence to produce them for the pharma ind.

- Dr Craig asked Chief Sup Harris if he was aware WHF had a special licence.  He said he did not.  The pair then went to take a look at the poppies.  Confirmed in Dr Craig and Chief Sup Harris' testimony.

- There's no evidence UK based pharma companies were procuring opium from poppies grown by UK farmers in 1985.  As a result I wrote to JB for clarification and he responded as follows:

"Now this is an odd thing because you believe that the first licence to grown opium poppies was not granted until the naughties.  You are of course correct growing a few opium poppies is not illegal in and of itself, its illegal to grow a large quantity for commercial use - it must be otherwise loads of  them would be grown and  harvested, with the only illegal bit being when the opium is extracted - which could be done in a secret lab.

I'm guessing that we grew them under a sub contract with Kings Seeds of Coggeshall - they organised the trial, it was home office approved as a man from the ministry of agriculture visited to see that all was above board - we had to grow them at least 1/2 a mile from a main road and 1/2 a mile from a footpath.

The bit about me and Dr Craig going by the field growing the poppies is nonsense, we were nowhere near the area where the poppies were being grown.

Noone knew we grew poppies, no criminals could have known, I cannot recall how I came to tell Dr Craig about them, I think he simply asked me what crops we grew on the farm, thing was dad and I used to grow all sorts of new things, like borrage, evening primrose, lupins and fenugreek only on a small scale - though we went a bit mad with the borage cos we made so much money with that crop as we found out how to harvest it without it dropping its seeds.  So all that nonsense about me showing Dr Craig an opium poppy is nonsense.  It was a passing comment, and Essex police would have been aware - though I'm guessing the licence was with the ministry of AG and Kings Seeds.

Anyway hope that helps".


- The above is at odds with the legislation and letters from the Home Office to members of the public who have sought to clarify the cultivation of opium poppies:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7323.msg435891#msg435891


« Last Edit: December 17, 2017, 10:24:34 AM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #394 on: December 15, 2017, 12:24:17 PM »
David re your post below:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=me5an85leo2m4b082h10o2hrk3&topic=7323.msg430703#msg430703

You can see from posts/links on this thread that cultivating opium poppies is not a licensable activity as per the misuse of drugs act 1971 and information provided by the Home Office under the freedom of information act 2000.  If you disagree please provide an explanation along with supporting evidence.   
« Last Edit: December 17, 2017, 10:22:50 AM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #395 on: December 15, 2017, 04:23:02 PM »
JB was clearly aware opium poppies were being grown at WHF.  He claimed in 1985 (and in 2015 when he wrote to me) they were for the pharma ind.  For reasons stated in this thread along with supporting evidence this seems most unlikely. 

NB must have been aware what was growing on the land he lived on and managed and was ultimately repsonsible for.  I guess there's an outside chance JB instigated the whole thing and sold NB the idea.

- Shortly before or after learning of his family's demise according to Dr Craig JB went to the site of the opium poppies and picked a bunch.  When Dr Craig spoke with JB, JB informed him the farm had a 'special licence' to grow the popies for the pharma ind.  Why did JB choose this course of action?  Was he in emotional pain and was hoping to get a high off the poppies? (Dr Craig said he thought JB was grief stricken and in emotional shock).  Or was he hoping to pre-empt any questions and thought he would get in first?  Or was he just wandering around a bit demented?  Maybe NB had withheld the true purpose of the poppies but JB suspected?  Maybe JB initially thought the criminals they were working with might have attempted to do them over and he went to observe the state of the poppies?

- As I understand it opium poppies are harvested on a dry warm day, like most harvesting I guess!   They are scored in the morning and white opium oozes out which is left to dry on the poppy heads until it dries and turns brown.  It is then scraped off.  I understand tests can be carried out to check the purity.  This is done by burning on foil and makes me wonder if the substance found in the safe by the relatives was in fact opium rather than cannabis resin from Roland Pargeter's stay at WHF in 1974.  JB told AE she would find a surprise when she opened the safe. 

How much did JB know and to what to degree was he involved?
« Last Edit: December 17, 2017, 10:21:55 AM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #396 on: December 17, 2017, 10:43:13 AM »
Please cease with the unsubstantiated references to a black market trade in poppies.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

david1819

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Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #397 on: December 17, 2017, 10:04:27 PM »
Look what I just come accross. John Eaton thought Osea Island was being used to import drugs!



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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #398 on: December 18, 2017, 08:44:56 AM »
Look what I just come accross. John Eaton thought Osea Island was being used to import drugs!

Good find David  8((()*/

I've thought for a long time now illegal drugs play a much bigger role in this case than we currently fully understand. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #399 on: December 18, 2017, 11:29:09 AM »
Good find David  8((()*/

I've thought for a long time now illegal drugs play a much bigger role in this case than we currently fully understand.

I'm a bit surprised that you have gone off down this hole - you're one of the more level-headed posters. I don't know how you can't see that this is way off?  %56&

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #400 on: December 18, 2017, 11:46:48 AM »
I'm a bit surprised that you have gone off down this hole - you're one of the more level-headed posters. I don't know how you can't see that this is way off?  %56&

I believe illegal drugs play a significant role in the case as per my posts on this thread and the one below entitled 'Illegal drugs'. 

I accept the WS David uploaded isn't proof of anything but it does lend support to my theories outlined in this thread.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #401 on: December 18, 2017, 12:25:34 PM »
I believe illegal drugs play a significant role in the case as per my posts on this thread and the one below entitled 'Illegal drugs'. 

I accept the WS David uploaded isn't proof of anything but it does lend support to my theories outlined in this thread.

Well, if you want to pursue that - it's your time to waste.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #402 on: December 18, 2017, 02:41:20 PM »
Well, if you want to pursue that - it's your time to waste.

Unless anything else surfaces I think this aspect of the case has pretty much reached its end point in terms of online debate.  We will have to wait and see if anything surfaces offline!
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #403 on: December 18, 2017, 02:49:41 PM »
Look what I just come accross. John Eaton thought Osea Island was being used to import drugs!

I didn't even realise there was an Osea island I thought it was just a section of coast.  Anyway it seems the island was/is home to an alcohol/drug treatment centre:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osea_Island

I think Essex has always been synonymous with drugs due to its proximity to London/East End criminals and gateway to Europe. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline APRIL

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #404 on: December 18, 2017, 04:19:32 PM »
I didn't even realise there was an Osea island I thought it was just a section of coast.  Anyway it seems the island was/is home to an alcohol/drug treatment centre:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osea_Island

I think Essex has always been synonymous with drugs due to its proximity to London/East End criminals and gateway to Europe.

Word has it -although I can't verify- that the alcohol rehab centre failed because alcohol was imported. It's now a very up-market, away from the hoi poloi, holiday retreat/private party/wedding venue................albeit, self catering.