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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #405 on: December 18, 2017, 04:26:03 PM »
Word has it -although I can't verify- that the alcohol rehab centre failed because alcohol was imported. It's now a very up-market, away from the hoi poloi, holiday retreat/private party/wedding venue................albeit, self catering.

It seems there's still some sort of rehab clinic there taken over by someone else? 

Do you know if the relatives have any interests in the island?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline APRIL

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #406 on: December 18, 2017, 04:47:02 PM »
It seems there's still some sort of rehab clinic there taken over by someone else? 

Do you know if the relatives have any interests in the island?

It was owned by the Carringtons/Charringtons? a family of philanthropists -there's a family with that name which lives in Layer Marney Towers which is only a few miles away. There's nothing I've seen which suggests that the relatives have an interest. Their holiday park -opposite Osea Island- is really a very special place, now.

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Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #407 on: December 18, 2017, 10:04:09 PM »
Good find David  8((()*/

I've thought for a long time now illegal drugs play a much bigger role in this case than we currently fully understand.

I remain sceptical about the whole idea. There are several things you need to consider.

1. Growing opium for illegal production of Heroin in the UK is more or less unheard of. There is no money to be made. Illegal Opiates are lucrative because farmers in Afganistan, Turkey, Laos and Vietnam grow opium for peanuts. poor nations with perfect weather conditions. I cannot see any UK farmer seeing it worth while.

2. The pharmaceutical industry is much bigger and more lucrative than the illegal drug industry. Legitimate and regulated opium sells for a lot more than what peasant farmers in Afganistan and Laos charge.

3. Just because there was no opium in Neville's blood test does not rule out self medication because the growing season had not finished.

4. The police found out about the opium at WHF and made no big deal about it. This supports the argument that production was legal. That "special license" could have been the authorities using their discretion to deal with a short supply of the drug.

5. If Neville was the heroin kingpin of Essex using Pharmacuticals as a ruse. Its most likely Jeremy was not in on it and took Nevills word for it. Otherwise he would not have called the police to the farm nor would he unwittingly walk Dr Craig into the opium plantation.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #408 on: December 18, 2017, 10:26:00 PM »
I remain sceptical about the whole idea. There are several things you need to consider.

1. Growing opium for illegal production of Heroin in the UK is more or less unheard of. There is no money to be made. Illegal Opiates are lucrative because farmers in Afganistan, Turkey, Laos and Vietnam grow opium for peanuts. poor nations with perfect weather conditions. I cannot see any UK farmer seeing it worth while.

I don't think it's a case of there's no money rather criminals wouldn't have the opportunity or wherewithal to cultivate and organise the additional processes.

2. The pharmaceutical industry is much bigger and more lucrative than the illegal drug industry. Legitimate and regulated opium sells for a lot more than what peasant farmers in Afganistan and Laos charge.

If someone had the means to cultivate and organise the additional processes for say heroin this would potentially be far more lucrative than simply cultivating opium poppies for the pharma ind.

3. Just because there was no opium in Neville's blood test does not rule out self medication because the growing season had not finished.

I think if someone had a penchant for morphine or heroin etc they would get their fix somehow and not wait around for the growing season.

4. The police found out about the opium at WHF and made no big deal about it. This supports the argument that production was legal. That "special license" could have been the authorities using their discretion to deal with a short supply of the drug.

How do you know EP investigated the matter?  Have you seen a copy of the 'special licence' JB claims existed?  Which pharma company was WHF supposedly cultivating the opium poppies for?

5. If Neville was the heroin kingpin of Essex using Pharmacuticals as a ruse. Its most likely Jeremy was not in on it and took Nevills word for it. Otherwise he would not have called the police to the farm nor would he unwittingly walk Dr Craig into the opium plantation.

The jury's out on that one.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #409 on: December 18, 2017, 10:27:40 PM »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #410 on: December 19, 2017, 02:57:33 PM »
David what do make of JB's claims that a man from the Min of Ag visited WHF to check all was above board and advised that the OP's had to be grown 1/2 a mile away from roads/footpaths?  Bearing in mind cultivating OP's is not a licensable activity as such the Home Office/Min of Ag (Defra) would have no interest/responsibility in the matter.

It seems many of the chemicals commonly used in the production of H are commonly available to the farming community through access to agrochemicals?  Eg Acetic Anhydride:

http://www.bannerchemicals.com/product/acetic-anhydride/

I seem to recall somewhere I read when it said JB mooted the idea of drugging the family he decided against in that any such chemicals he could get hold of via the farm would be traceable?  I don't believe JB ever had any intention of drugging the family but someone has gone down the route of considering what chemicals are available to farmders if there's any truth in the statement re farmers/chemicals? 

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #411 on: December 19, 2017, 03:21:05 PM »
It was owned by the Carringtons/Charringtons? a family of philanthropists -there's a family with that name which lives in Layer Marney Towers which is only a few miles away. There's nothing I've seen which suggests that the relatives have an interest. Their holiday park -opposite Osea Island- is really a very special place, now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvlB6j6E8lA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgSmxmLWn0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pXClK6VSJM

The last vid is filmed from a light aircraft and you can see how it would be attractive to drug smugglers/dealers in terms of boats and light aircraft.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #412 on: December 19, 2017, 10:50:31 PM »
Look what I just come accross. John Eaton thought Osea Island was being used to import drugs!

Wasn't there a suggestion that a light aircraft had made drug drops over the farm?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #413 on: December 19, 2017, 10:56:55 PM »
I didn't even realise there was an Osea island I thought it was just a section of coast.  Anyway it seems the island was/is home to an alcohol/drug treatment centre:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osea_Island

I think Essex has always been synonymous with drugs due to its proximity to London/East End criminals and gateway to Europe.

Osea Island in relation to Goldhanger and Tolleshunt D'Arcy.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline APRIL

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #414 on: December 20, 2017, 08:44:23 AM »
Osea Island in relation to Goldhanger and Tolleshunt D'Arcy.

I was interested to see how close is Osea to the St Lawrence/Stone/Southminster area. This, rather than Heybridge/Mill Beach/Goldhanger area, has long held a reputation for dodgy goings on. Allegedly, there are some very shady characters who reside there in electronically gated mansions with river access.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #415 on: December 20, 2017, 01:14:38 PM »
Who needs the caribbean when you have Osea Island?!

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/oct/08/essex-osea-island-parties-seclusion-celebrities

http://www.oseaisland.co.uk/stay-with-us

This place would be ideal for manufacturing drugs with it cut off for most of the day and night other than a few hours at low tide which exposes a road of sorts linking the mainland to the island.  Light aircraft could land and take off.  Same for small boats arriving and departing. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #416 on: April 17, 2020, 08:23:43 PM »
Who needs the caribbean when you have Osea Island?!

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/oct/08/essex-osea-island-parties-seclusion-celebrities

http://www.oseaisland.co.uk/stay-with-us

This place would be ideal for manufacturing drugs with it cut off for most of the day and night other than a few hours at low tide which exposes a road of sorts linking the mainland to the island.  Light aircraft could land and take off.  Same for small boats arriving and departing.

I note chartered surveyor George Nicholls refers to the poppies grown at WHF as just that and makes no reference to opium poppies.  He also refers to the fact that '85 was the first year they had grown them and two people calling whilst he was there who NB referred to as nasty pieces! 



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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #417 on: April 17, 2020, 08:29:42 PM »
G-Unit I'm sure I've seen you and Sadie discuss drug production on MM board although I've no idea in what context.  Any thoughts on opium poppies grown at WHF? 

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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #418 on: April 17, 2020, 08:55:07 PM »
Osea Island in relation to Goldhanger and Tolleshunt D'Arcy.

Mabel Speakman's (previously Bunting) brother Jack Bunting was farming on Osea Island in 1914 when his wife died. His two daughters Betty and Alice were subsequently brought up by Mabel and her husband along with Pamela and June. Betty married Thomas Howie and they farmed Chappel Farm near Vaulty.
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Offline Caroline

Re: Opium Poppies Grown at WHF?
« Reply #419 on: April 17, 2020, 09:03:44 PM »
I note chartered surveyor George Nicholls refers to the poppies grown at WHF as just that and makes no reference to opium poppies.  He also refers to the fact that '85 was the first year they had grown them and two people calling whilst he was there who NB referred to as nasty pieces!

Obviously Nevill was a drug lord and two Essex Colombians were after him for dealing on their patch.  @)(++(* @)(++(*