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Offline Lace

Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2016, 05:18:40 PM »
Are they the rocks where it was proven that no one would have the strength to throw a body into the sea from?

ferryman

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Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2016, 05:26:54 PM »
Interesting interlude.

But the fact remains.

Kate and Gerry were offered the choice between Kate finding (and concealing!) 'a corpse' (that of her loved and cherished daughter, Madeleine) or (the pair of them) facing murder charges.

That fits in precisely with Harrison being handed a brief, by Amaral's boss (whose name began with 'E') to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered, and working to it.

Exactly what Harrison says in his reports.

He offered to explore other possibilities or scenarios (sic) on request .

There is no evidence he was requested to do so.

Harrison concludes his final report by saying that he, personally, had no clue what happened to Madeleine.


Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2016, 05:43:57 PM »
Interesting interlude.

But the fact remains.

Kate and Gerry were offered the choice between Kate finding (and concealing!) 'a corpse' (that of her loved and cherished daughter, Madeleine) or (the pair of them) facing murder charges.


That fits in precisely with Harrison being handed a brief, by Amaral's boss (whose name began with 'E') to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered, and working to it.

Exactly what Harrison says in his reports.

He offered to explore other possibilities or scenarios (sic) on request .

There is no evidence he was requested to do so.

Harrison concludes his final report by saying that he, personally, had no clue what happened to Madeleine.

Do you have an independent cite for this?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2016, 07:17:39 PM »
Are they the rocks where it was proven that no one would have the strength to throw a body into the sea from?

No anyone can throw somebody into the sea from there. That was referring to throwing a body from the cliffs/Rocha Negra.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2016, 07:20:52 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2016, 07:48:34 PM »
Do you have an independent cite for this?

Mark Harrison would not have stated that he was considering, solely, the possibility that Madeleine had been murdered unless he had been handed a brief to consider, solely, that possibility; still less would he have offered to consider other possibilities or scenarios.

Mark Harrison would not have concluded his final report with a tentative (and conditional) opinion that if Madeleine was dead, he found it most likely her remains had been jettisoned into the sea if (as claimed by Amaral) he had directed that a body (of a definitely dead Madeleine) should be sought in the immediate surrounds of PdL and apartment 5a.

Harrison certainly would not have hinted (as claimed by Amaral) that Kate and Gerry might be, directly, linked to Madeleine's disappearance given the way he concluded his final report.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2016, 08:02:22 PM »
Mark Harrison would not have stated that he was considering, solely, the possibility that Madeleine had been murdered unless he had been handed a brief to consider, solely, that possibility; still less would he have offered to consider other possibilities or scenarios.

Mark Harrison would not have concluded his final report with a tentative (and conditional) opinion that if Madeleine was dead, he found it most likely her remains had been jettisoned into the sea if (as claimed by Amaral) he had directed that a body (of a definitely dead Madeleine) should be sought in the immediate surrounds of PdL and apartment 5a.

Harrison certainly would not have hinted (as claimed by Amaral) that Kate and Gerry might be, directly, linked to Madeleine's disappearance given the way he concluded his final report.

All inferences drawn by you and being passed off as fact it would seem.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2016, 08:35:22 PM »
All inferences drawn by you and being passed off as fact it would seem.

If Maddie had been thrown into the sea here surely her body would simply have been eased up at the next tide

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2016, 08:40:39 PM »
If Maddie had been thrown into the sea here surely her body would simply have been eased up at the next tide

That would depend on the ocean currents and whether the body had been wrapped and weighted.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline sadie

Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2016, 12:41:39 AM »
That would depend on the ocean currents and whether the body had been wrapped and weighted.
Well that rules Smithman out then doesn't it?

How could he suddenly find something substantial enough to securely wrap a weight to the body to sink it?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2016, 10:28:25 AM »
Well that rules Smithman out then doesn't it?

How could he suddenly find something substantial enough to securely wrap a weight to the body to sink it?

It probably rules out Smithman throwing a wrapped and weighted body into the sea. It does leave him other options.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Carana

Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2016, 11:30:15 AM »
If the person who some believe Smithman to be had wrapped and weighted a little body and thrown it into the sea:

a) there would seem to be a fairly strong likelihood that it would have been revealed by receding tides (unless a boat had been used...)
b) doing so would have required time and means that don't appear feasible
c) how would that fit with Amaral's frozen, then transported in the Scenic, theory?
d) when and how would this weighted "package" have been recuperated without anyone noticing?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2016, 12:49:46 PM »
If the person who some believe Smithman to be had wrapped and weighted a little body and thrown it into the sea:

a) there would seem to be a fairly strong likelihood that it would have been revealed by receding tides (unless a boat had been used...)
b) doing so would have required time and means that don't appear feasible
c) how would that fit with Amaral's frozen, then transported in the Scenic, theory?
d) when and how would this weighted "package" have been recuperated without anyone noticing?

a) It would depend on ocean currents velocities.
b) True.
c) It wouldn't.
d) Who knows? but if the objective was to dispose of rather than recover later is that important ?

This seems to be growing like Topsy from what originally had been a simple statement.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Brietta

Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2016, 12:59:21 PM »
If the person who some believe Smithman to be had wrapped and weighted a little body and thrown it into the sea:

a) there would seem to be a fairly strong likelihood that it would have been revealed by receding tides (unless a boat had been used...)
b) doing so would have required time and means that don't appear feasible
c) how would that fit with Amaral's frozen, then transported in the Scenic, theory?
d) when and how would this weighted "package" have been recuperated without anyone noticing?



The Policia Maritima were deployed to search the coast for Madeleine between them and those who searched the rocks (or hunted the rock pools for crabs) I think had she been hidden in the dead of night in a place from which she could be retrieved, she would certainly have been found.
In my opinion any notion that is what happened to her body is a non-starter.


04/05 : GNR, PSP, PJ, fonctionnaires de l'hôtel, touristes et habitants essayent de trouver la fille de trois ans. Un hélicoptère aide dans les recherches. La police maritime à commencé, pendant la nuit, à fouiller la cote et à effectuer le contrôle systématique des bateaux.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2016, 01:02:14 PM »
a) It would depend on ocean currents velocities.
b) True.
c) It wouldn't.
d) Who knows? but if the objective was to dispose of rather than recover later is that important ?

This seems to be growing like Topsy from what originally had been a simple statement.

You're probably right.  I don't think we are veering off topic ... I think we may well be there.  Let's see if we survive it.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2016, 02:25:53 PM »
a) It would depend on ocean currents velocities.
b) True.
c) It wouldn't.
d) Who knows? but if the objective was to dispose of rather than recover later is that important ?

This seems to be growing like Topsy from what originally had been a simple statement.

Is what important? The credibility of Amaral's theory? It is to some...

So let's see. "Smithman" dumps her in the sea, after discovering her dead from a fall behind the sofa while potentially lethally overdosed with a product that has no sedating properties. Then somehow recuperates it with the world watching. Arranges for it to be placed in some stranger's freezer. Recuperates it from said freezer weeks later to transport it in the Scenic, possibly towards Huelva in the company of various other people. For some unknown reason, they change their minds and drive it back to sneak it underneath the open coffin of an elderly lady back in the PdL church or wherever this vigil took place.

I've watched some bizarre TV scenarios before, but this takes the pastel de nata...