Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?

[Alice Purjorick]

Is what important? The credibility of Amaral's theory? It is to some...

So let's see. "Smithman" dumps her in the sea, after discovering her dead from a fall behind the sofa while potentially lethally overdosed with a product that has no sedating properties. Then somehow recuperates it with the world watching. Arranges for it to be placed in some stranger's freezer. Recuperates it from said freezer weeks later to transport it in the Scenic, possibly towards Huelva in the company of various other people. For some unknown reason, they change their minds and drive it back to sneak it underneath the open coffin of an elderly lady back in the PdL church or wherever this vigil took place.

I've watched some bizarre TV scenarios before, but this takes the pastel de nata...

I was only answering questions posed by davel and Sadie.
Beyond that it is all speculation on which I have no views on one way or another except that the most unlikely things are possible and do happen.
A body was wrapped, weighted and dumped in Wast Water in 1976 then found in 1984 while a search was in progress for a missing French female student climber.
A teenage girl disappeared December 1957 and her body was found in woods several months later having been kept in a deep freeze. So it has been done and argument that it hasn't is pointless as it is well recorded. The question is the logistics of how it was effected.
The Lady in the Lake is well recorded because her husband was caught tried and sentenced. The 1957/1958 "the body in the freezer" happened but no one knows the detail as it remains unsolved to this day.

[sadie]

Sadie, People fish off piers so what are you going on about heights. If you pass the church it takes you to the rocks I've shown in my pics.

Let's just be rational PF.

1.  Piers are not 35 metres (10+ stories high) Skyscrapers are as were the cliffs you showed.  Check the height on GE..  T'would take rather a long time to reel in a fish from a skyscraper, doncha think? 
2.  Piers do not have jutting out bits that the fishermans line can snag on
3.  Piers do not have virtually inaccessible rocks to scramble over .... especially in the dark of night and carrying a child.

Also the photos that you show on this post are of rocks going down to the sea, I think.  Really difficult to traverse in the daylight, let alone after dark and carrying a child


So far, you have shown at least three sets of photos ... and if Shining is right, then none of them apart from the ones in this post are anywhere south of the Church

[pathfinder73]

Sadie,

1. Those pics are the rocks you get to by passing the church. See Map below.

2. What height is a skyscraper? The rocks are not! I know about fishing on rocks because I've done it. To get close to the water means going down and over rocks. People do it every day to fish. It may be dangerous to you but not to me.

3. I don't believe Smithman threw anyone into the sea. I believe he quickly hid the child and returned later when it was still dark.

4. You are the one spreading disinformation.

[Brietta]

Not much lighting around the church if this photograph from June 2010 is anything to go by.

Peter Neal Patterson

I met Kate and Gerry on Friday after having made contact with them via written messages during the week.

They knew I was participating in the searches that week.

I felt dispirited because there appeared to be no coordination or leadership to the searches.

Many people went searching without adequate local equipment, like for example people were cutting their feet on the rough terrain or on the shrubs in those locales.
Many people wore sandal and walked over tough land.

I never saw any police involvement in the operations carried out by civilians.

On Friday the 11th of May 2007 we heard rumours that the Portuguese were going to stop the searches.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PE-PA.htm


Now that we've got all those rocks out of our systems, please may we return to the topic which is, "According to Kate McCann the choice was accidental killng or homicide."

[sadie]

No anyone can throw somebody into the sea from there. That was referring to throwing a body from the cliffs/Rocha Negra.

Neither can they from Kates spot by the church / fortezela.  The spot that you showed.   See the jumble of upended rocks that would have to have been clambered over to get anywhere near the sea?  No-one would be able to do that in the dark carrying a body.

And no-one would be able to throw a body over that mass of rocks.

Additionally apart from one little piece, GE tells us that the cliffs crumble all the way down to the sea and the depth of water at those spots is shallow because of underlying crumbled cliff rocks.

The one bit that appears a bit higher, has crumbled cliff rocks at the base as well, so shallow water.  Also that is within the little cove area, so there would be a big risk anything that managed to land in the water there being swirled round and round in the cove.  imo.


Shining:  Please correct me if I am wrong about the depth of water and the extremely rough terrain south of the church to get to the ocean as I am doing most of this mainly by studying G.E.

Soz, Brietta.  Posted this then saw your request

[sadie]

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Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?

The answer is NO.  Definitely NO

[slartibartfast]

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Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?

The answer is NO.  Definitely NO

Some backing information perhaps?

[ShiningInLuz]

Some backing information perhaps?

We appear to be discussing Smithman and we appear to be talking about the rocks to the south of the church.  Please give me a nod if I have got these bits wrong.

Smithman was seen around 10pm.  Low tide was at 10pm.  Harrison checked the currents.  The conclusion was the body would get washed up on the incoming tide, or float to the east and get trapped by the headland.

Whether Harrison considered that Smithman might have been going to the west beach in Luz, had access to one of the rowboats there, and access to a large body bag + weights - I can't see that from the files.

But it is not someone going helter-skelter to the rocks, chucking a body in, and hoping.

[slartibartfast]

We appear to be discussing Smithman and we appear to be talking about the rocks to the south of the church.  Please give me a nod if I have got these bits wrong.

Smithman was seen around 10pm.  Low tide was at 10pm.  Harrison checked the currents.  The conclusion was the body would get washed up on the incoming tide, or float to the east and get trapped by the headland.

Whether Harrison considered that Smithman might have been going to the west beach in Luz, had access to one of the rowboats there, and access to a large body bag + weights - I can't see that from the files.

But it is not someone going helter-skelter to the rocks, chucking a body in, and hoping.

I was meaning more to Sadie's fiat no.

[ShiningInLuz]

I was meaning more to Sadie's fiat no.

I appreciate that fully.

I am simply explaining for guests why hurrying to the bottom of the rocks south of the church and chucking a body in does not stack up.

It's an old thread that has got resurrected, and to be honest, I have not read much more than the recent posts.

But it is simple.  Did somebody go to the sea edge around 10pm, and throw a body in?  No.

[pathfinder73]

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Re: Was Madeleine McCann carried over the rocks and dumped in the sea?

The answer is NO.  Definitely NO

I don't think that happened but it is possible. It is not hard to get to the water Sadie as this video proves.

[sadie]

I don't think that happened but it is possible. It is not hard to get to the water Sadie as this video proves.

Can you give me the video address please, PF.  Something had happened to the link from this forum to me and I cant play any videos that the rest of you can.

[pegasus]

Can you give me the video address please, PF.  Something had happened to the link from this forum to me and I cant play any videos that the rest of you can.

http://youtu.be/CcuMowrbPDw
This is due south of the church. At 0m26s the large white building is restauarants including Chaplins (yellow sign) and left of Chaplins you can see a small part of the church. Between church and camera is visible the viewing platform under which is a large circular drain outlet.

[pathfinder73]

Can you give me the video address please, PF.  Something had happened to the link from this forum to me and I cant play any videos that the rest of you can.

That is the full video so you can stop your constant accusations of disinformation. My information is spot on.

[sadie]

That is the full video so you can stop your constant accusations of disinformation. My information is spot on.

But I cant see it.

Please will you give me the video address so that I can judge for myself