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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #195 on: July 03, 2016, 11:20:21 PM »
C.F. doesn't occur on any of the 223 pages of car rental lists, however ...
May I ask what date range the car rental lists cover?
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Offline pegasus

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #196 on: July 03, 2016, 11:37:13 PM »
May I ask what date range the car rental lists cover?
The aim was IMO to identify every car rental which included the day 3rd May or the day 4th May 2007.
Lists were obtained from every car rental company located at Faro airport or in the PDL area.
The lists are huge - about 243 pages.
Source: Outros Apensos 8, pages 54-277

Offline sadie

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #197 on: July 03, 2016, 11:44:26 PM »
The aim was IMO to identify every car rental which included the day 3rd May or the day 4th May 2007.
Lists were obtained from every car rental company located at Faro airport or in the PDL area.
The lists are huge - about 243 pages.
Source: Outros Apensos 8, pages 54-277
Maybe he kept a car there and took a taxi from the airport ... or relied on a friend to transport him to and from the airport ?  A reciprocal agreement ?

If I had a place like his, especially well up a steep hill, I would want a car there.   Any old car that I had finished with at home would suffice.   Feud could afford something much better, I would think

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #198 on: July 03, 2016, 11:45:26 PM »
The aim was IMO to identify every car rental which included the day 3rd May or the day 4th May 2007.
Lists were obtained from every car rental company located at Faro airport or in the PDL area.
The lists are huge - about 243 pages.
Source: Outros Apensos 8, pages 54-277
Many thanks.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #199 on: July 03, 2016, 11:47:05 PM »
Maybe he kept a car there and took a taxi from the airport ... or relied on a friend to transport him to and from the airport ?  A reciprocal agreement ?

If I had a place like his, especially well up a steep hill, I would want a car there.   Any old car that I had finished with at home would suffice.   Feud could afford something much better, I would think
It wasn't his villa in 2007.  He sold it in 2002.
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Offline pegasus

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #200 on: July 03, 2016, 11:56:57 PM »
It wasn't his villa in 2007.  He sold it in 2002.
Correct, however sometimes rented it after that, for example for at least 2 periods in 2007.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #201 on: July 04, 2016, 12:01:45 AM »
Correct, however sometimes rented it after that, for example for at least 2 periods in 2007.
Agreed, but the premise was, did he keep a car there?  Was he keeping a car at his old villa about 5 years after he sold it?

What do you think?
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Offline pegasus

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #202 on: July 04, 2016, 12:24:15 AM »
Agreed, but the premise was, did he keep a car there?  Was he keeping a car at his old villa about 5 years after he sold it?

What do you think?
IMO no car would be kept in portugal. Renting a car would be much more sensible.

Offline sadie

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #203 on: July 04, 2016, 12:27:33 AM »
Agreed, but the premise was, did he keep a car there?  Was he keeping a car at his old villa about 5 years after he sold it?

What do you think?

Do you know, did the villa rent with a car? 

Had he a friend with a car who was willing to run him around a bit?

We know that he was there soon after Madeleine vanished.  I feel sure that a man of his age and wealth wouldn't carry his shopping up that steep incline. 

Maybe he always called a taxi ?

There are so many options that we really are in  the dark about this imo

Offline mercury

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #204 on: July 04, 2016, 12:30:29 AM »
IMO no car would be kept in portugal. Renting a car would be much more sensible.
May have had an employee/chauffeur, in any case, I fail to see how he could be linked to MMs abduction, tenuous in the utter extreme IMHO, except for desperate or irresponsible joirnalists

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #205 on: July 04, 2016, 12:45:46 AM »
Do you know, did the villa rent with a car? 

Had he a friend with a car who was willing to run him around a bit?

We know that he was there soon after Madeleine vanished.  I feel sure that a man of his age and wealth wouldn't carry his shopping up that steep incline. 

Maybe he always called a taxi ?

There are so many options that we really are in  the dark about this imo
Without wishing to sound ageist, he was what, 83 at the time of the meeting?  I doubt he flew to Faro, rented a car, then drove himself to Luz.

Car insurance in Portugal is odd.  It is the car that is insured, not the driver.  If the villa owner had a car there, and consented to Freud using it, then assuming Freud was legal to drive in the UK he was legal to use the villa car in Portugal.

But why would he?  Baptista delivered to his door.  Chicken and mushroom risotto is hardly pushing the envelope.
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Offline pegasus

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #206 on: July 04, 2016, 12:46:43 AM »
Do you know, did the villa rent with a car? ... (snip)
Some villa rental agents do, on request, also arrange car rental.
For example some entries in the car rental lists have a PDL villa rental agent in one column, and the first-named-driver in another column. Further drivers eg spouse are not listed.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2016, 01:28:27 AM by pegasus »

Offline sadie

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #207 on: July 04, 2016, 12:45:04 PM »
Without wishing to sound ageist, he was what, 83 at the time of the meeting?  I doubt he flew to Faro, rented a car, then drove himself to Luz.

Car insurance in Portugal is odd.  It is the car that is insured, not the driver.  If the villa owner had a car there, and consented to Freud using it, then assuming Freud was legal to drive in the UK he was legal to use the villa car in Portugal.

But why would he?  Baptista delivered to his door.  Chicken and mushroom risotto is hardly pushing the envelope.
My hubbie is 81 in a few days time.   Last month we were in Toronto and my hubby was driving around in a wretched giant American limousine on the roads around Toronto.  These are not quiet PdL / western Algarve roads, they are city roads.  He had driven the same car in Fla only 15 months before, which helped.  The Panhandle was much quieter than Toronto.  He didn't fancy doing it, but needs must .... and he drove


Another member of the family until the age of about 83 used to drive down to Richmond, Virginia.  .... all the way from London Ontario.   I would guess that is over 500 miles.   She is now 86 and drives occasionally from London Ont to Toronto, about 100miles.


I don't think that we can be certain that Freud, an international man, would not be able to manage driving the easy route from Faro airport to PdL.   He might even have flown it by light aircraft to the little air strip in nearby Lagos.  Celebs do these sort of things .... but I know that I am only speculating

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #208 on: July 04, 2016, 06:54:27 PM »
May have had an employee/chauffeur, in any case, I fail to see how he could be linked to MMs abduction, tenuous in the utter extreme IMHO, except for desperate or irresponsible joirnalists

There may be some connection if CF was a peadophile,and M was a victim of his or others who indulged in this kind of activity it would be worth while exploring...interesting he became  'friends' with the MCs.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Clement Freud and his links to the Madeleine McCann case.
« Reply #209 on: July 04, 2016, 08:35:10 PM »
Gerry's bedtime reading in Portugal which featured Clement's grandfather.

"Sigmund Freud arrives in New York on his first – and only – visit to the United States in 1909..................


Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.