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Offline Brietta

Except that was not the objective of a reconstitution. The Portuguese use the method to test statements not to see if Joe Punter remembers anything.

So I have been told and we have seen the process as it was implemented in Joana's case.  It does seem however that Mr Amaral became aware latterly of the value of using the technique familiar to us in the search for a missing child and not only as a vehicle for building a case against a suspect.
Why else seek to explain the omission to call an early reconstruction as an apologia for his lack of action in the terms he chose rather than use the explanation you have given.

John has pointed out that some of the Smith family departed the morning following Madeleine's disappearance.  They were not the only ones departing on that day and the days following.
One wonders what the impact might have been had all these people at the time been made aware of the Tanner sighting much as we were in the Crime Watch reconstruction.

It was surely more important to find Madeleine than to 'solve' the case with a conviction. A golden opportunity for perhaps more witnesses coming forward who may have thought nothing odd about a child being carried through the streets was perhaps   squandered. 

 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

So I have been told and we have seen the process as it was implemented in Joana's case.  It does seem however that Mr Amaral became aware latterly of the value of using the technique familiar to us in the search for a missing child and not only as a vehicle for building a case against a suspect.
Why else seek to explain the omission to call an early reconstruction as an apologia for his lack of action in the terms he chose rather than use the explanation you have given.

John has pointed out that some of the Smith family departed the morning following Madeleine's disappearance.  They were not the only ones departing on that day and the days following.
One wonders what the impact might have been had all these people at the time been made aware of the Tanner sighting much as we were in the Crime Watch reconstruction.

It was surely more important to find Madeleine than to 'solve' the case with a conviction. A golden opportunity for perhaps more witnesses coming forward who may have thought nothing odd about a child being carried through the streets was perhaps squandered.

Dunno about most of that. I was just stating why the Portuguese use reconstitution.
As with many things in this case some of that which Sr Amaral is alleged to have done baffles me.
Second guessing what Sr Amaral did, why with which and to whom and viewing the case like it's Crimewatch or Without a Trace, can be a exercise in futility.
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Offline mercury

Thank you Brietta.

I feel sure that somewhere it was said that The Mccanns wanted a reconstruction, but it wasn't to be.

I wonder, was it mentioned in the book "Madeleine"? Maybe it was on a youtube interview ?



The important point is that it didn't happen at the time.   The time that everything was fresh in their minds.

.... and the excuses why it didn't happen were rather weak imo.

Oh so now we go from the assertion "the mccanns pressed for a reconstruction" to "well im not really sure" if thats right, they might have asked for one


NO NEITHER are true
Ie


Dont post thngs as facts when they arent

Dont wanna go creating myths now surely sadie something you slag others off for all the time
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Offline sadie

Oh so now we go from the assertion "the mccanns pressed for a reconstruction" to "well im not really sure" if thats right

Ie


Dont post thngs as facts when they arent

Dont wanna go creating myths now surely sadie
No myths here.

I dont have the eyesight nor the energy to go searching for cites, but I am quite sure that somewhere it has been said that the Mccanns wanted a reconstruction at the time that Madeleine vanished (within days).

Amaral admits that he didn't organize it and IMO his reasons were weak.

So his police force would have been unable to control the crowd , eh ?

Offline mercury

No myths here.

I dont have the eyesight nor the energy to go searching for cites, but I am quite sure that somewhere it has been said that the Mccanns wanted a reconstruction at the time that Madeleine vanished (within days).



I am quite sure  doesnt cut the mustard, sorry

Then maybe if youre right those with energy and good eyseight can fish it out, good luck to em,they will never find it

Offline sadie



Why are you making this accusation against Kates friends?  I see myself as a friend *of* The Mccanns, altho I am definitely not friends *with* them, if you can see the difference.

I am a friend to them because I see a massive injustice with unthinking, or in some cases sadistic people (imo) ganging up against them and making disgusting comments and insinuations.   People who get a kick out of hurting The Mccanns.

Offline sadie

Why are you making this accusation against Kates friends?  I see myself as a friend *of* The Mccanns, altho I am definitely not friends *with* them, if you can see the difference.

I am a friend to them because I see a massive injustice with unthinking, or in some cases sadistic people (imo) ganging up against them and making disgusting comments and insinuations.   People who get a kick out of hurting The Mccanns.


I repeat, why wasn't a reconstruction done in the days immediately after the abduction.  Oh, I forgot, Amaral thought that he, the Police, couldn't control the media and interested bystanders.  @)(++(*

His other comments for not doing it, about Kate being so frail, quite frankly do not wash.

He didn't bother about any fraility of Leonor, did he?

IMO, from virtually the beginning with very weak suspicions and NO proof of any sort, Amaral was already set upon "getting" the Mccanns.  Same as he was with Leonor and Joao Cipriano.  Very weak suspicions and absolutely NO proof of any kind.

Offline pathfinder73

"The case has to be re-opened, and I have faith that it will be," he said. "It will either be when this current "procurador" leaves, or when the current chief of police leaves. It's not something I am pushing for - even if I could - it's just something I feel certain will happen. And when it does, the first, most essential thing to be done will be a reconstruction of that very first night – the night Madeleine disappeared. Because that's what happened: she literally disappeared! The reconstruction will have to involve all the parties: the McCanns and their friends. You see, there are so many inconsistencies in these people's statements that a reconstruction will very quickly highlight where they have not told the truth".  GA 8 Dec 2011
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

"The case has to be re-opened, and I have faith that it will be," he said. "It will either be when this current "procurador" leaves, or when the current chief of police leaves. It's not something I am pushing for - even if I could - it's just something I feel certain will happen. And when it does, the first, most essential thing to be done will be a reconstruction of that very first night – the night Madeleine disappeared. Because that's what happened: she literally disappeared! The reconstruction will have to involve all the parties: the McCanns and their friends. You see, there are so many inconsistencies in these people's statements that a reconstruction will very quickly highlight where they have not told the truth".  GA 8 Dec 2011

So sayeth a Court proven liar.  A perjurer who desperately wants to get at the Mccanns.

Offline G-Unit

So sayeth a Court proven liar.  A perjurer who desperately wants to get at the Mccanns.

At the moment hes suceeding too. His book's back on sale and he is enjoying freedom of speech.
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At the moment hes suceeding too. His book's back on sale and he is enjoying freedom of speech.
He's been a bit quiet lately though.  Is he all right or is he just busy spending the millions his book has generated since it went back on sale?

Offline Robittybob1

Oh so now we go from the assertion "the mccanns pressed for a reconstruction" to "well im not really sure" if thats right, they might have asked for one


NO NEITHER are true
Ie


Dont post thngs as facts when they arent

Dont wanna go creating myths now surely sadie something you slag others off for all the time
Was the idea of the reconstruction just mooted to isolate those who didn't want to attend? A reconstruction wouldn't have worked any way.  In any investigation the PJ needed to know who to concentrate their focus on.
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Offline sadie

At the moment hes suceeding too. His book's back on sale and he is enjoying freedom of speech.
Bully for him

With the emphasis on the word "BULLY"

Making money on the back of a missing child !!!    And at the expense of her grieving parents.

Money grabber and Bully.

All imo, of course.

Offline G-Unit

Bully for him

With the emphasis on the word "BULLY"

Making money on the back of a missing child !!!    And at the expense of her grieving parents.

Money grabber and Bully.

All imo, of course.

He wrote a book explaining and defending his investigation. There was no guarantee that it would sell, but it did. The money grabbers then tried to take the proceeds off him.

All imo, of course.
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Offline mercury

He's been a bit quiet lately though.  Is he all right or is he just busy spending the millions his book has generated since it went back on sale?

The mccanns have been a bit quiet lately, are they alright or are they busy spendng the mllions their book generated