Kate McCann insisted that Gerry and Dave go out searching for Madeleine.

[sadie]

Seemingly the McCanns never met the chief detective until years later when they sat in the same courtroom.

That's true I understand

Amaral never bothered to even speak to them before he made them arquidos.

[sadie]

This witness appeared to be in little doubt that the man he spoke to was Gerry, that he was shouting out for Maddie, was carrying a bottle of wine and was drunk.  Other than the wailing mullah episodes in main reception and at the apartment are there any references by the police or Amaral to GM being intoxicated?

Where did GM get a bottle of wine at 1am in the morning?

So that is the new myth is it?  To put the boot into Gerry no doubt.

[sadie]

Smithman went down the steps (south) that the Smith family came up.  Had he been heading east towards the church he would have taken the shortest route around the corner.  Had he been going west he would not have approached Aoife as she emerged from the top of the steps and then passed her.  Amaral worked this out early on and that is why derelict properties and gardens bordering the steps and the adjacent street were searched.

We dont KNOW that John.  I don't intend going thru all the statements but I well remember that the words in one of the Smith (Aoifes?) statements were not totally clear and could have meant that Smitghman went down the steps behind Aoife ... or could have meant that Smithman went east towards the Church.  I tend to agree with you that the likely direction was down the steps, BUT we dont know for sure.

The only thing that we are certain of, is that he didn't go west up Rua 25 Abril.

[pegasus]

So that is the new myth is it?  To put the boot into Gerry no doubt.

It's slightly more than a myth - it's a CdM newspaper report. They print direct quotes from a named witness who definitely exists. A possible solution is that the witness did see a drunk searcher, but completely mistook his identity.

[mercury]

Yes, the constant crow of myth myth does get a bit much sometimes , especially when the blasters are wrong,sigh

[Alfie]

It's slightly more than a myth - it's a CdM newspaper report. They print direct quotes from a named witness who definitely exists. A possible solution is that the witness did see a drunk searcher, but completely mistook his identity.

And yet how often do we hear accusations that the McCanns are manipulating the media any time anything vaguely supportive of the abduction theory is published?  Perhaps there are (were) malevolent forces afoot in Portugal wishing to destroy the McCanns?

[pathfinder73]

News to me.  Where did you get that Gerry was looking for a church at 4am from?

It's in the files.

"He only had direct contact with the couple and their friends at about 04.00 when Gerry McCann approached the GNR group of which he was a member to ask whether there was a church close by. He replied to him in English, giving the directions to a nearby church."  Rui Sergio Lópes Silva - GNR Officer

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUI-SILVA.htm

[G-Unit]

It's in the files.

"He only had direct contact with the couple and their friends at about 04.00 when Gerry McCann approached the GNR group of which he was a member to ask whether there was a church close by. He replied to him in English, giving the directions to a nearby church."  Rui Sergio Lópes Silva - GNR Officer

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUI-SILVA.htm

Dianne Webster doesn't remember a trip out by Gerry and David;

 ”Once they arrived at your apartment did they stay there a while or do you remember them leaving?”

 ”Err I think, I think, I think they stayed there because it was very late or you know early, early morning and Kate wanted a priest, they couldn’t find a priest which, well I won’t, I won’t say what her language was but I’m, you know, Portugal’s a Catholic country and err no priest.”
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm

[sadie]

It's in the files.

"He only had direct contact with the couple and their friends at about 04.00 when Gerry McCann approached the GNR group of which he was a member to ask whether there was a church close by. He replied to him in English, giving the directions to a nearby church."  Rui Sergio Lópes Silva - GNR Officer

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUI-SILVA.htm

After the event, they were asking directions to a nearby church.

So there you have your answer to whether Gerry and Kate had seen the church before.   You have proved that they hadn't yourself..   Well done!

The only church shown on G.E. is the church that you keep going on about, the one that you postulate that Smithman walked past

 ... and that measures 0.27 miles, walking distance, on GE from 5A.   A quarter of a mile, close, but hidden from view by villas and buildings.




So If you are correct about Smithman passing the church, then you have also proved that Gerry is NOT Smithman,


Very well done Pathfinder 

[pathfinder73]

You missed the point but never mind. Of course asking that question to an officer could also be getting an alibi. This reinforces my theory that Smithman passed the church 

[sadie]

You missed the point but never mind. Of course asking that question to an officer could also be getting an alibi. This reinforces my theory that Smithman passed the church 

Oh, Pfinder, you are so funny.  As * IF * you are right %&5%£. 

Makes sense that he would draw attention to himself and the church, especially with the police, doesn't it?

Soooo funny!   if only you could stand back and see yourself.

[Eleanor]

Oh, Pfinder, you are so funny.  As * IF * you are right %&5%£. 

Makes sense that he would draw attention to himself and the church, especially with the police, doesn't it?

Soooo funny!   if only you could stand back and see yourself.

 *&*%£

Please let us not mock Pathfinder.  I might get cross about that.

[pathfinder73]

Oh, Pfinder, you are so funny.  As * IF * you are right %&5%£. 

Makes sense that he would draw attention to himself and the church, especially with the police, doesn't it?

Soooo funny!   if only you could stand back and see yourself.

Just as stupid as drawing attention to Madeleine's short sleeves was she was seen in long sleeves.

[sadie]

Just as stupid as drawing attention to Madeleine's short sleeves was she was in long sleeves.

You saty.

I say that either Smithman did not exist, but I think he did.
or, the little girl being carried was not Madeleine
or, most likely
Smithman stopped off somewhere and borrowed a cardi or extra top with long sleeves


I have long thought that his accomplis was living in the staff quarters just about 50 metres up the road from the first sighting by the Smiths.


I think he called in there.

[pathfinder73]

No abductor would stop anywhere close to borrow a cardi. They would get the hell out of there. What about the police? Don't worry they haven't been called and won't be here for another hour. We will use a clone to carry her then

"At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30." PF

Who told Gerry that? The police were called at 22:41.