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ferryman

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2016, 06:39:11 PM »
Eddie's alerts - we know what his alert told the police in the Prout case.......find the body. Actually if you give me one case where Eddie has alerted and the police haven't looked for a body I would be amazed. This case is no different. They are looking for a body and they will be nearly 100% sure who was seen carrying it heading towards the beach.  Tannerman is found but not Smithman. The only credible and last line of inquiry has to be this in this case. I had it from the start and nothing has changed except proving it.

Eddie alerted in the Prout matrimonial home.

The late Kate Prout (RIP) was buried in an out-house, several hundred yards away.

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2016, 07:01:10 PM »
The uncut raw footage video taken by Levy shows cadaver detection dog Eddie playing with cuddlecat.  The dog picked him up and threw him in the air as any playful dog will do with a cuddly toy he has taken a liking to.  Later on in the video the dog barks at some floor level cupboards and when opened cuddlecat is revealed.  This was the extent of the interaction with cuddlecat.

The question which has never been answered is why did Eddie not alert to cuddlecat when they first met yet we are expected to believe he did so a short time later?   I think we need to take any claims with regard to Eddie and cuddlecat with a very large pinch of salt!
« Last Edit: July 12, 2016, 07:11:30 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2016, 07:02:44 PM »
Eddie was not put inside the Scenic, therefore the boot was not studiously ignored.

The dog alerted to the driver's door of the Scenic, then to the key fob buried in a bucket of sand.

He didn't react at all to the boot of the car from the outside, despite all the sniffing.

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2016, 07:06:42 PM »
Eddie alerted in the Prout matrimonial home.

The late Kate Prout (RIP) was buried in an out-house, several hundred yards away.

No Ferryman, she wasn't.   She was buried outside under what was then a pheasant pen.  No doubt the pheasant poo was enough to confuse the poor cadaver dog.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2016, 07:09:18 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2016, 08:49:06 PM »
So again
What does eddies alert at the car tell us
No waffle this time
The dog's alerts are indicators.  In the New Theory it indicates the driver or maybe a passenger of the car had been contact with a cadaver.
Gerry claimed there had been 30 odd "drivers" or maybe passengers of that car during the time up till then.
Gerry wasn't the only driver so logically you can't point the finger at him exclusively.
I think we all have tended to point to one person mostly but apply logic and you see there are more possibilities.
 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2016, 08:53:12 PM »
Dog was also trained to detect blood
So what was the alert to
There were two dogs one for the cadaver odour and the other for dried human blood AFAIK.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2016, 09:13:25 PM »
No Ferryman, she wasn't.   She was buried outside under what was then a pheasant pen.  No doubt the pheasant poo was enough to confuse the poor cadaver dog.

I don't know what Eddie actually searched outdoors at 276 acre Redhill Farm but we know it was wrapped in plastic sheeting which would stop any scent from escaping for the dog to find.

"Mrs Prout's remains were found wrapped in a curtain and plastic sheeting, the inquest was told."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-17938610

"Detective inspector Steve Bean of Gloucestershire Police told the inquest that Prout confessed to wrapping the body in a carpet and plastic sheeting and putting it in his Range Rover."

http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/9687871.print/
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2016, 09:17:58 PM »
I don't know what Eddie actually searched outdoors at 276 acre Redhill Farm but we know it was wrapped in plastic sheeting which would stop any scent from escaping for the dog to find.

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Cadaver odour would permeate plastic sheeting IMO.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2016, 11:47:52 PM »
I doubt the English police would have sent an untrained dog to PDL.  I believe there wasn't a dog more capable (at the time) than Eddie in finding cadaver odour.
It was Kate and Gerry who didn't have a clue.  They admitted that they "could not explain it".
« Last Edit: July 13, 2016, 01:51:41 PM by John »
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Offline misty

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2016, 11:57:39 PM »
I doubt the English police would have sent an untrained dog to PDL.  I believe there wasn't a dog more capable (at the time) than Eddie in finding cadaver odour.
It was Kate and Gerry who didn't have a clue.  They admitted that they "could not explain it".

Somewhere there is a Freedom of Information response from SYP confirming Frankie the cadaver dog had a higher success rate than Eddie. I'm sure Ferryman can oblige........


Offline misty

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2016, 12:35:26 AM »
http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39078056/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2032

Scroll down & you will find copy of Eddie & Frankie's success statistics as disclosed by SYP.


BTW, imo Smithman does not exist.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2016, 07:50:57 AM »
Somewhere there is a Freedom of Information response from SYP confirming Frankie the cadaver dog had a higher success rate than Eddie. I'm sure Ferryman can oblige........

It's only a matter of time before MG releases his records at the body farm etc. The FBI were most impressed and it will be interesting to know when SY used him. Eddie and Frankie were both used in the Attracta Harron case and Eddie got the evidence in the burned out shell of a car when forensics found nothing. Eddie also found the body.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2016, 08:00:11 AM »
It's only a matter of time before MG releases his records at the body farm etc. The FBI were most impressed and it will be interesting to know when SY used him. Eddie and Frankie were both used in the Attracta Harron case and Eddie got the evidence in the burned out shell of a car when forensics found nothing. Eddie also found the body.

there seems to be only 3 or 4 cases where eddie found anything useful....not such a sparkling career

Offline pathfinder73

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2016, 08:07:03 AM »
there seems to be only 3 or 4 cases where eddie found anything useful....not such a sparkling career

He goes in months after the fact when murder is suspected. Any body is likely gone by that time i.e. not easy to find. But there are zero cases after his alerts that the missing person has turned up alive.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2016, 08:11:48 AM »
there seems to be only 3 or 4 cases where eddie found anything useful....not such a sparkling career

It may become super sparkling if this case is solved so don't count your chickens   8(>((
« Last Edit: July 13, 2016, 02:22:19 PM by John »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.