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Offline Carana

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #180 on: July 27, 2016, 07:02:56 PM »
Readers have to be careful not to confuse cadaverine with human cadaverine.

Erm... John, cadaverine is... cadaverine.

It's simply a chemical compound.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadaverine
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #181 on: July 27, 2016, 07:31:23 PM »
Erm... John, cadaverine is... cadaverine.

It's simply a chemical compound.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadaverine
the odour detected by the cadaver dogs could be a mixture of thousands of chemicals at once it won't just be the one chemical cadaverine as you say.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #182 on: July 27, 2016, 07:43:00 PM »
Erm... John, cadaverine is... cadaverine.

It's simply a chemical compound.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadaverine
One of the issues with the dogs is the use of the term 'cadaverine'.

It sounds highly scientific until one looks at the way the terminology is used.

If one believes the dogs don't lie, then cadaverine is used as a shorthand for dead human body.

If one believes that the dogs are far from foolproof, then it is hard to come up with a shorthand term that explains all the possibilities - including human blood (human still alive or human dead), non-human sources and that the dogs appear to work on one or more cocktails, not just a single chemical compound.
What's up, old man?

Offline Lace

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #183 on: July 27, 2016, 08:02:36 PM »
When it is cadaverine,   I am imagining that is the horrible nasty fluid that the body produces when it is decaying?

Cadaver scent is what Eddie is supposed to alert to,  which would not be very strong as Madeleine if she had died in 5a was not left for long,  in my opinion not long enough for cadaver scent.    I also find it very difficult to imagine that the scent would be there three months later.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #184 on: July 27, 2016, 08:12:42 PM »
When it is cadaverine,   I am imagining that is the horrible nasty fluid that the body produces when it is decaying?

Cadaver scent is what Eddie is supposed to alert to,  which would not be very strong as Madeleine if she had died in 5a was not left for long,  in my opinion not long enough for cadaver scent.    I also find it very difficult to imagine that the scent would be there three months later.
So to get around this problem there are those who say Madeleine died days before, and those that say she died earlier that day or as I have proposed the cadaver odour came from someone else.
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Offline pegasus

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #185 on: July 27, 2016, 08:19:11 PM »
So you think you can define an alert even more closely that the general nature expressed by Martin.  He worried about air currents.
Just saying IMO at the date of this search the concentration (of whatever compounds he signalled) was greater in the air just above the lower shelf than in the air below the lower shelf.

ferryman

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #186 on: July 27, 2016, 09:07:00 PM »
Erm... John, cadaverine is... cadaverine.

It's simply a chemical compound.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadaverine

The confusion is cadaverine with cadaver (odour).

Cadaverine is a particular component (of the cadaver bouquet) found in urine and semen.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #187 on: July 27, 2016, 09:32:13 PM »
Just saying IMO at the date of this search the concentration (of whatever compounds he signalled) was greater in the air just above the lower shelf than in the air below the lower shelf.
That's at apartment 5A, right?
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Offline sadie

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #188 on: July 28, 2016, 07:59:35 AM »
So to get around this problem there are those who say Madeleine died days before, and those that say she died earlier that day or as I have proposed the cadaver odour came from someone else.

There was no cadavar odour that we know of.  Every alert has been found wanting. 

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #189 on: July 28, 2016, 08:30:54 AM »
There was no cadaver odour that we know of.  Every alert has been found wanting. 

Please correct me if I am wrong.
I would say the opposite the indication were positive  but since no physical cadaver has been found you could say they are wanting.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #190 on: July 28, 2016, 05:00:17 PM »
When it is cadaverine,   I am imagining that is the horrible nasty fluid that the body produces when it is decaying?

Cadaver scent is what Eddie is supposed to alert to,  which would not be very strong as Madeleine if she had died in 5a was not left for long,  in my opinion not long enough for cadaver scent.    I also find it very difficult to imagine that the scent would be there three months later.

In the Sam Parker case Eddie alerted in the garage 6 months after Theresa Parker went missing and was proved correct 3.5 years later when her body was found in 2010.

Kate Prout was reported missing on the 4th November 2007.
Eddie alerted on the 19th December 2007.
That's a total of 46 days later.
Eddie was proven correct on 25th November 2011, when Kate Prout's remains were formerly identified. 

The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits. Having reviewed all of the documents, 7,154 actions were raised and 560 lines of enquiry identified, and over thirty international request to countries across the world asking for work to be undertaken on behalf of the Met.

Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world.

The Grange team received on average two hundred emails a week, and following the media appeal in October 2013 across three countries, received over 7,000 responses.

http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-135459

8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine and nada!
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #191 on: July 28, 2016, 05:30:15 PM »
In the Sam Parker case Eddie alerted in the garage 6 months after Theresa Parker went missing and was proved correct 3.5 years later when her body was found in 2010. ... (snip)
Thanks PF that is interesting

ferryman

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #192 on: July 28, 2016, 06:18:31 PM »
In the Sam Parker case Eddie alerted in the garage 6 months after Theresa Parker went missing and was proved correct 3.5 years later when her body was found in 2010.

Grime added Eddie did not seem interested in the vehicles but in a scent that was wafting in the air, based on the way the dog held his nose upward. Grime said Eddie then "hit" on an abandoned house next door. Testimony shows that house was never repaired after a fire gutted the inside and killed a child several years ago.

My comment: In every alert, Eddie seems to hold his head up.

Kate Prout was reported missing on the 4th November 2007.
Eddie alerted on the 19th December 2007.
That's a total of 46 days later.
Eddie was proven correct on 25th November 2011, when Kate Prout's remains were formerly identified.

Eddie alerted in the matrimonial home, several hundred yards from where Prout murdered and buried his wife's body.

The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits. Having reviewed all of the documents, 7,154 actions were raised and 560 lines of enquiry identified, and over thirty international request to countries across the world asking for work to be undertaken on behalf of the Met.

Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world.

The Grange team received on average two hundred emails a week, and following the media appeal in October 2013 across three countries, received over 7,000 responses.

http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-135459

8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine and nada!

I take it that's not a gloat?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #193 on: July 28, 2016, 06:55:35 PM »
They are facts Ferryman. Many reported sightings and nothing to show for it. The dogs have not been proven to be wrong in this case either and new forensic tests/results have not been confirmed by OG.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #194 on: July 28, 2016, 07:07:45 PM »
They are facts Ferryman. Many reported sightings and nothing to show for it. The dogs have not been proven to be wrong in this case either and new forensic tests/results have not been confirmed by OG.

"the dogs have not been proven to be wrong" ....how many times has eddie been proven to be right....very very few