A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.

[Eleanor]

Wrong.  Prout murdered his wife in the hunting lodge, not in the family home where Eddie alerted.  In fact there is no evidence that the body was ever brought into the bungallow where Eddie alerted, and certainly no alert by the dog in the hunting lodge or the Land Rover into which the body was placed and driven to the pub.
http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/kate-prout-inquest-finally-hears-husband/story-16000525-detail/story.html

This is correct.

[pathfinder73]

Wrong.  Prout murdered his wife in the hunting lodge, not in the family home where Eddie alerted.  In fact there is no evidence that the body was ever brought into the bungallow where Eddie alerted, and certainly no alert by the dog in the hunting lodge or the Land Rover into which the body was placed and driven to the pub.
http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/kate-prout-inquest-finally-hears-husband/story-16000525-detail/story.html

To make out it was Kate's fault leaving the family home and following him to the hunting lodge to continue the argument? Was there any evidence found to corroborate his statement? He could have wrapped the body went back to the house and sat on the sofa and that would now be cadaver scent contaminated where Eddie alerted. There are a number of possible scenarios or he could be lying yet again to make out it wasn't all his fault. One thing is certain Adrian Prout is a liar.

[Brietta]

To make out it was Kate's fault leaving the family home and following him to the hunting lodge to continue the argument? Was there any evidence found to corroborate his statement? He could have wrapped the body went back to the house and sat on the sofa and that would now be cadaver scent contaminated where Eddie alerted. There are a number of possible scenarios or he could be lying yet again to make out it wasn't all his fault. One thing is certain Adrian Prout is a liar.

I think another thing that is clear is that Eddie's alerts contributed nothing to Prout's prosecution and conviction.  Nor did his alerts lead to the recovery of the murdered woman's remains.

[pathfinder73]

I think another thing that is clear is that Eddie's alerts contributed nothing to Prout's prosecution and conviction.  Nor did his alerts lead to the recovery of the murdered woman's remains.

But It confirmed to the the police to find a body. SY were doing the same in Luz with dogs.

[Brietta]

But It confirmed to the the police to find a body. SY were doing the same in Luz with dogs.

It doesn't actually matter what the police may or may not believe.  It is how much relevant evidence they can gather to convince a jury that matters.
There was enough circumstantial evidence to convince a jury to convict Prout of his wife's murder despite his protestations of innocence ... in which intelligence from Eddie's inspection played no part at all.

Had he not confessed to the murder after his lawful conviction and showed the police where her remains lay it is almost a certainty that Kate Prout's body would never have been recovered and returned to her family.

[pegasus]

It doesn't actually matter what the police may or may not believe.  It is how much relevant evidence they can gather to convince a jury that matters.
There was enough circumstantial evidence to convince a jury to convict Prout of his wife's murder despite his protestations of innocence ... in which intelligence from Eddie's inspection played no part at all.

Had he not confessed to the murder after his lawful conviction and showed the police where her remains lay it is almost a certainty that Kate Prout's body would never have been recovered and returned to her family.

Eddie did play a part in the no-body murder charge against Hamilton.

[John]

I think another thing that is clear is that Eddie's alerts contributed nothing to Prout's prosecution and conviction.  Nor did his alerts lead to the recovery of the murdered woman's remains.

I don't agree Brietta.  Eddie's alerts in the family home were important enough for the police to get suspicious which in turn led to his trial and subsequent conviction on what was merely circumstantial evidence.

We now know of course that the cadaver scent detected by the dog in the farm bungalow was secondary transfer from the body, probably from Adrian Prouts own clothing as he sat down after having moved and buried his wife's remains.  That was the fateful mistake in his great plan.

[mercury]

As long as eddies alerts add an ounce of suspicion on the parents the naysayers will always try everything to make them unimportant/false/fraudulent/attack the handler

Same ole same ole rubbish day in day out

There is alot of value in the saying "protest too much"

And their behaviour is NOT a good  example of searxhing for facts or truths

[sadie]

As long as eddies alerts add an ounce of suspicion on the parents the naysayers will always try everything to make them unimportant/false/fraudulent/attack the handler

Same ole same ole rubbish day in day out

There is alot of value in the saying "protest too much"

And their behaviour is NOT a good  example of searxhing for facts or truths

You have seen the truth / proofs of what has, and has not, happened with Eddie and Keela

It is YOU that protesteth too much. 

[pegasus]

What is your best guesstimate of the suitcase dimensions please, Pegasus?

I'll do some estimates by scaling from photo Misty ... later.
BTW it is clearly described in a statement as "a suitcase".

[Brietta]

I'll do some estimates by scaling from photo Misty ... later.
BTW it is clearly described in a statement as "a suitcase".

Suitcase with wheels

[pegasus]

@Misty one from guest room one from twins room
Quarto des gêmeos - uma mala
Quarto des visitas - uma mala
Source: Proc p2019a

IMO the case with wheels (com rodas) was from guest room, and was completely empty.
IMO the case without wheels (sem rodas) was from twins room, and was completely full.

[Brietta]

@Misty one from guest room one from twins room
Quarto des gêmeos - uma mala
Quarto des visitas - uma mala
Source: Proc p2019a

IMO the case with wheels (com rodas) was from guest room, and was completely empty.
IMO the case without wheels (sem rodas) was from twins room, and was completely full.

One from the guest room probably belonged to whoever was staying with them in the villa at that time?  The one from the twins room probably the one seen in the wardrobe photographs?

[misty]

@Misty one from guest room one from twins room
Quarto des gêmeos - uma mala
Quarto des visitas - uma mala
Source: Proc p2019a

IMO the case with wheels (com rodas) was from guest room, and was completely empty.
IMO the case without wheels (sem rodas) was from twins room, and was completely full.

Found it on page 2098a, not 2019a.

So, whatever Eddie alerted to which had been in the wardrobe in 5a, it wasn't that particular blue suitcase......which takes you back to the laundry pile or a totally unrelated source?
I noticed Eddie only gave the shelf a cursory sniff before supposedly alerting to the parents' wardrobe.

[pegasus]

Found it on page 2098a, not 2019a. (snip)

Yes 2098a
Case with wheels is irrelevant because belonged IMO to guests probably maternal gparents.
And case without wheels IMO is different to case in 5A wardrobe.