A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.

[Robittybob1]

Yes 2098a
Case with wheels is irrelevant because belonged IMO to guests probably maternal gparents.
And case without wheels IMO is different to case in 5A wardrobe.

If my theory is right the suitcase we are looking for belonged to Ocean Club not to the McCanns.  It will have been used for a specific purpose and meant to be retuned.  It could even have the words "Property of Mark Warner" to make sure it doesn't get stolen.

[misty]

@Pegasus
What's the missing word from the pipe & violin, please, as I've lost the bookmark?

[pegasus]

If my theory is right the suitcase we are looking for belonged to Ocean Club not to the McCanns.  It will have been used for a specific purpose and meant to be retuned.  It could even have the words "Property of Mark Warner" to make sure it doesn't get stolen.

Excluding small airline cabin size bags, there were only two large cases or bags in the apartment Robbity.
ETA There was a photo of both on mcannfile site but cant find it there now

[Robittybob1]

Excluding small airline cabin size bags, there were only two large cases or bags in the apartment Robbity.

What about removed before the Police were called?  There seems to be Mark Warner staff there in the apartment when Kate says she was on her own, who also went between Kate's bedroom and the Kid's room.  This was prior to the Police being rung.
These other two bags could well have been left behind as they belonged to the McCanns.

[pegasus]

What about removed before the Police were called?  There seems to be Mark Warner staff there in the apartment when Kate says she was on her own, who also went between Kate's bedroom and the Kid's room.  This was prior to the Police being rung.
These other two bags could well have been left behind as they belonged to the McCanns.

Police were phoned about 22:41, no bags were removed before then.
There were exactly 2 large bags or cases see bmibaby luggage documents.
Both were removed on 5th.

[Robittybob1]

Police were phoned about 22:41, no bags were removed before then.
There were exactly 2 large bags or cases see bmibaby luggage documents.
Both were removed on 5th.

In the New Theory it is possible to have bags removed just prior to the Police being called.
I have said the removed bag would have been belonging to Mark Warner and removed prior to the Police being called.  So any photos taken at a later time logically do not change or have any bearing on this prior event.
You would have to have been there to be able to know this: "Police were phoned about 22:41, no bags were removed before then." 

[mercury]

In the New Theory it is possible to have bags removed just prior to the Police being called.
I have said the removed bag would have been belonging to Mark Warner and removed prior to the Police being called.  So any photos taken at a later time logically do not change or have any bearing on this prior event.
You would have to have been there to be able to know this: "Police were phoned about 22:41, no bags were removed before then." 

None  of your posts to date have changed a single thing...hmmmm ?? What does that tell you

[mercury]

You have seen the truth / proofs of what has, and has not, happened with Eddie and Keela

It is YOU that protesteth too much.

Thats ridiculous, ive never protested about the dogs, just the naysayers reactions to them
Ie they were smelling snot mushrooms leftover plasters or dead pigs n 5a

Barmy

[pegasus]

In the New Theory it is possible to have bags removed just prior to the Police being called... (snip)

(answered on another thread)

[ferryman]

Eddie alerted in the matrimonial home, several hundred yards from where Prout murdered and buried his wife's body.



Actually, Adrian Prout murdered his wife in the family bungalow and moved her body to the back of his Land Rover before going to the pub.  She was not strangled out on the farm.

There is no getting away from it that both Eddie and Keela were successful in several cases.  However, that success is no guarantee that the alerts made to objects in Portugal were in any way sinister.

The link that you gave, John, was immediately after Prout's conviction and well before his confession.

It also neatly illustrates the difference between intelligence and evidence.

As per standard English-court procedure, Eddie's alert in the investigation was not presented to the jury, because it was uncorroborated. 

But using the alert (as intelligence) the police hypothesised (we now know, an erroneous detail in a nevertheless safe conviction) that Prout had strangled and murdered his wife in the lounge of the matrimonial home.

[Angelo222]

The link that you gave, John, was immediately after Prout's conviction and well before his confession.

It also neatly illustrates the difference between intelligence and evidence.

As per standard English-court procedure, Eddie's alert in the investigation was not presented to the jury, because it was uncorroborated. 

But using the alert (as intelligence) the police hypothesised (we now know, an erroneous detail in a nevertheless safe conviction) that Prout had strangled and murdered his wife in the lounge of the matrimonial home.

Had Eddie not alerted in the family home there was every chance Adrian Prout might have got away with it.  As it was, well done Eddie, another success. 

[Alfie]

Had Eddie not alerted in the family home there was every chance Adrian Prout might have got away with it.  As it was, well done Eddie, another success. 

I thought Prout confessed because he failed a lie test, nothing to do with the (incorrect) dog alert.

[Carana]

Had Eddie not alerted in the family home there was every chance Adrian Prout might have got away with it.  As it was, well done Eddie, another success. 

Was it ever substantiated that the body had ever been in the home? (I haven't followed this case much.)

[pathfinder73]

I thought Prout confessed because he failed a lie test, nothing to do with the (incorrect) dog alert.

It was a no body murder conviction and if Eddie didn't alert he may have gotten away with it.

[Alfie]

It was a no body murder conviction and if Eddie didn't alert he may have gotten away with it.

So Prout didn't confess because he failed the  lie detector then?  And Eddie correctly alerted in the lounge despite the fact the murder occurred elsewhere and there is no account that the body was ever brought into the house?

Really?