A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.

[slartibartfast]

"Under normal circumstances, burial or cremation must take place in Portugal within 72 hours of death. Where there has been a post mortem examination, burial or cremation must be carried out within 48 hours of the body being released. The law does not specify a timescale for repatriation."

For those interested in the detail https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/514423/Death_Procedures_in_Portugal_September_2015.pdf

I would assume it is as a result of being a hot country a bit like Jewish and Moslem funeral traditions.

[mercury]

What from 5:00 - 10:00 PM  What plus the help of their friends?  What are you implying.

nothing
Im saying that was the window of opportunity for anything, something many ignore
So stop reading into things and assuming things re friends ie stop putting words into others mouths

[sadie]

nothing
Im saying that was the window of opportunity for anything, something many ignore
So stop resding into things and assuming thngs re friends ie stop putting words into others mouths

There was a strong implication, mercury.  It was aimed at the Mccanns. 

You said: 
Reply #304 on: October 18, 2016, 10:38:58 PM »

Who knows
The mccanns had a 5 hour window of opportunity

Watch the libel Laws.

[mercury]

There was a strong implication, mercury.  It was aimed at the Mccanns. 

You said: 
Reply #304 on: October 18, 2016, 10:38:58 PM »
Watch the libel Laws.

Its not my fault there was a five hour window of opportunity for anything to have happened to madeleine without anyone knowing...after all her parents never checked she was even there

[Robittybob1]

Its not my fault there was a five hour window of opportunity for anything to have happened to madeleine without anyone knowing...after all her parents never checked she was even there

That's being silly isn't it?   Gerry says they tucked the kids into bed.   What time are you talking about?

[G-Unit]

Its not my fault there was a five hour window of opportunity for anything to have happened to madeleine without anyone knowing...after all her parents never checked she was even there

April 2016
Reports of when she was last seen alive by independent witnesses vary, but she was still alive at around 6pm, when she and her parents went into their apartment at 5A Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva, where Madeleine and her two-year-old twin brother and sister were readied for bed.

Gerry McCann went to the apartment at 9.05pm, when all the children were sleeping soundly and Madeleine was still in her bed, he says.

The police in Portugal, however, have never accepted the McCanns’ evidence as undisputed. They initially regarded the McCanns as suspects, and believed the McCanns could have killed Madeleine any time after the last independent sighting of her at 6pm.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/16/madeleine-mccann-latest-are-police-any-closer-to-knowing-the-tru/

[ferryman]

Confirmation from that article that Martin Smith and his wife Mary produced the efits of the man the family all saw that night:

Mary and Martin Smith, from Ireland, told police they saw a man carrying a child matching Madeleine’s description at around 10pm on Rua da Escola Primaria, 500 yards from the McCanns’ apartment. He was heading towards the beach, did not look like a tourist and did not seem comfortable carrying the child, they said.

Their evidence was compelling, but it was only in October 2013 that two e-fit images of the man, compiled by police from descriptions given by Mr and Mrs Smith, were released by Scotland Yard to coincide with a BBC Crimewatch reconstruction of Madeleine’s disappearance. He remains a suspect.

Also confirmation that both have long, since, recanted of the view that the man the family all saw that night was Gerry.

It is obviously plain barking to suppose either would produce an efit of a man either thought was Gerry.

[Robittybob1]

Confirmation from that article that Martin Smith and his wife Mary produced the efits of the man the family all saw that night:

Also confirmation that both have long, since, recanted of the view that the man the family all saw that night was Gerry.

It is obviously plain barking to suppose either would produce an efit of a man either thought was Gerry.

Is that really possible to carry a true image of a person for that length of time and not have it contaminated by the photos of Gerry in the papers etc in the meantime?
This could be the reason the two members drew quite different efits.  Both were clear images but not really suggesting one or other person when you look at both at once.

[ferryman]

Is that really possible to carry a true image of a person for that length of time and not have it contaminated by the photos of Gerry in the papers etc in the meantime?

At the end of January 2008, Martin Smith was approached by Brian Kennedy, who represented the McCanns, to produce an efit, but refused.

It is plain common sense that all the time Martin and his wife were of a view that they might have seen Gerry, they would refuse.

But then they realised their (honest) mistake and agreed to produce an efit.

I think Mary Smith is on record, somewhere, as saying that the man they all saw had a similar build to Gerry.

Obviously lots of men do.

[Robittybob1]

And there are two efits of quite different looking men, so what do you do?  Even if one looked like one of them and thought of owning up you could just say "I don't look like the other", and not present yourself to SY.

[ferryman]

And there are two efits of quite different looking men, so what do you do?  Even if one looked like one of them and thought of owning up you could just say "I don't look like the other", and not present yourself to SY.

Try producing a visual reproduction of a complete stranger you saw weeks ago.

It's bloody hard.

[Robittybob1]

Try producing a visual reproduction of a complete stranger you saw weeks ago.

It's bloody hard.

That's exactly what I mean "how is it done?".  One of them could be very accurate  especially if they knew the person.  Like he knew it wasn't Robert Murat, and he thought by the way the child was being carried it was Gerry.  So do they know more than they are letting on?  The Smiths frequented Praia da Luz and so might "Smithman".  It is possible the Smiths saw him again and refreshed their memory.

[sadie]

Try producing a visual reproduction of a complete stranger you saw weeks ago.

It's bloody hard.

I've been in the position of trying to identify a thief who I partially apprehended, but he pushed past me partially knocking me down the stairs (no injuries) and ran off with my purse.  The police drove me at breakneck speed to Central Birmingham Police station  and actually showed me photos of men who they had stored images of.   I think they were all thieves, but I am not sure of that.

I found a man that I was 99% certain was the man, but I was not prepared to swear it was him, because I am honest. 
Had I had to draw him it would have been very difficult for me, despite my speciality being figure drawing and portraiture.  It is not easy to remember features well enough to reproduce them even an hour later

However seeing images helps the mind.

I bet the Smiths were also shown images of men, but after the long delay it would be a miracle if they remembered the images of the man they saw, so fleetingly, to get a near perfect visual reproduction.

 

[mercury]

That's being silly isn't it?   Gerry says they tucked the kids into bed.   What time are you talking about?

It doesnt matter what anyone said in the cintext of there being a long timeline where there were no witnesses

[Robittybob1]

It doesnt matter what anyone said in the cintext of there being a long timeline where there were no witnesses

Do we start doubting Matt as well then?  There were no witnesses to his visit to the McCann's apartment.