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Alfie

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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2016, 09:17:41 PM »
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on October 11, 2016, 09:04:15 PM
Well, I must say,  I'm glad you're starting to see sense.
Yes, I've realised that anarchy is the way forward, thanks for helping me to see this.  Incidentally did you used to run your own forum?  I'm sure I've encountered you before.... &%+((£
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Offline John

Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #61 on: October 19, 2016, 04:41:15 PM »
Parliamentary debate re Article 50 Petitions.
E-petitions 133618, 125333, 123324, 154593, 133767 and 133540 relating to the UK's exit from the European Union.

http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/7b53b5c2-1b12-474d-855e-a8bca88605e5
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Offline Alice Purjorick

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« Reply #62 on: October 19, 2016, 09:26:44 PM »
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stephen25000

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« Reply #63 on: October 19, 2016, 10:18:11 PM »
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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2016, 11:58:35 AM »
Quote from: Alice Purjorick on October 19, 2016, 09:26:44 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mps-could-block-brexit-deal-no-10-admits-a7368561.html

It looks like folk are now waking up... 8(0(*

MP's have no veto over the wishes of the people and the sooner they realise it the better. The people have decided!
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Alfie

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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #65 on: October 20, 2016, 12:35:31 PM »
Quote from: John on October 20, 2016, 11:58:35 AM
MP's have no veto over the wishes of the people and the sooner they realise it the better. The people have decided!
I think you'll find that they do, and exercise it on a regular basis.  The referendum was not legally binding and if given the opportunity to vote on it MPs could very much prove to be a spanner in the Brexit works. 
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Offline John

Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2016, 01:16:13 PM »
Quote from: Alfie on October 20, 2016, 12:35:31 PM
I think you'll find that they do, and exercise it on a regular basis.  The referendum was not legally binding and if given the opportunity to vote on it MPs could very much prove to be a spanner in the Brexit works.

If an MP votes on an issue contrary to the wishes of those who elected him or her they face being sacked and rightly so.  MP's are merely public servants, their job is to represent the electorate.  The Referendum was the best thing that could ever have happened, it shook the complacency out of those who thought they ran this country.  Cameron being one of them!
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2016, 01:34:22 PM »
Quote from: John on October 20, 2016, 11:58:35 AM
MP's have no veto over the wishes of the people and the sooner they realise it the better. The people have decided!

That's not what I meant.... ?{)(**
What most seem to blithely ignore are the mechanisms by which things are done.
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Alfie

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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2016, 01:35:21 PM »
Quote from: John on October 20, 2016, 01:16:13 PM
If an MP votes on an issue contrary to the wishes of those who elected him or her they face being sacked and rightly so.  MP's are merely public servants, their job is to represent the electorate.  The Referendum was the best thing that could ever have happened, it shook the complacency out of those who thought they ran this country.  Cameron being one of them!
Their job is to represent their constituents actually.  As I understand it, they will be asked to vote on the specifics of any deal struck, and the specifics of a Brexit deal have not been decided in any sort of public vote.  If the deal they are asked to vote on is inadequate or not in their opinion in their constituents' interests then they can vote against it, this is what parliamentary democracy is all about. 
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Offline John

Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2016, 02:15:00 PM »
Quote from: Alfie on October 20, 2016, 01:35:21 PM
Their job is to represent their constituents actually.  As I understand it, they will be asked to vote on the specifics of any deal struck, and the specifics of a Brexit deal have not been decided in any sort of public vote.  If the deal they are asked to vote on is inadequate or not in their opinion in their constituents' interests then they can vote against it, this is what parliamentary democracy is all about.

I don't understand why you think MPs can run rough shod over the majority wishes of those who elected them? 

Do you really think the UK government is going to spend from now until March 2019 working flat out to create a working trade mechanism with the EU only to have it voted out?  I think you can be quite sure that the 'specifics' will have been worked out well in advance and leaked to all interested parties throughout the process in order to carry the widest possible support thus avoiding the very possibility you suggest.
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Offline John

Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2016, 02:16:57 PM »
Quote from: Alice Purjorick on October 20, 2016, 01:34:22 PM
That's not what I meant.... ?{)(**
What most seem to blithely ignore are the mechanisms by which things are done.

Mechanisms can be changed Alice, very little is set in stone any more.
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Alfie

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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #71 on: October 20, 2016, 04:21:05 PM »
Quote from: John on October 20, 2016, 02:15:00 PM
I don't understand why you think MPs can run rough shod over the majority wishes of those who elected them? 

Do you really think the UK government is going to spend from now until March 2019 working flat out to create a working trade mechanism with the EU only to have it voted out?  I think you can be quite sure that the 'specifics' will have been worked out well in advance and leaked to all interested parties throughout the process in order to carry the widest possible support thus avoiding the very possibility you suggest.
Your faith in the current UK government's ability to deliver a deal that meets with the approval of the rest of parliament is rather quaint.  Perhaps we should wait and see though whether your grounds for optimism turn out to be misplaced or not...
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #72 on: October 20, 2016, 05:01:18 PM »
Quote from: Alfie on October 20, 2016, 04:21:05 PM
Your faith in the current UK government's ability to deliver a deal that meets with the approval of the rest of parliament is rather quaint.  Perhaps we should wait and see though whether your grounds for optimism turn out to be misplaced or not...

The decision has been taken so get over it.  Bye bye EU  8@??)(
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Alfie

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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #73 on: October 20, 2016, 05:47:19 PM »
Quote from: Angelo222 on October 20, 2016, 05:01:18 PM
The decision has been taken so get over it.  Bye bye EU  8@??)(
Yadda yadda.  I'm over it.  It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.  In fact I'm kind of enjoying it in a sick sort of a way. 
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Alfie

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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #74 on: October 20, 2016, 05:59:36 PM »
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable about these things could explain this to me:

we are constantly being told this by Leavers: "Germany would mad be tell their car manufacturers that they were imposing a 10% tariff on all exports to the UK, and manufacturers would be up in arms and it would be the death knell of the German car industry".  But - why?  If there is a market in Britain for UK cars then this isn't going to cease just because of a tariff of 10% - the increases in costs will be borne and shared by the car dealerships and UK customers and prices will go up (as they will on everything anyway) so why wouldn't and why shouldn't Europe slap a 10% tariff on goods to the UK?  It's not like the UK is their sole market anyway.   Give us special tariff free deals and everyone will want one, where's the logic in that?
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