Invoking Article 50

[Alice Purjorick]

Mechanisms can be changed Alice, very little is set in stone any more.

I would suggest they will have to be.
The biggest laugh I have had is the bit where we are going to pass an act to keep EU laws until we can change them on an as and when basis no target completion date quoted. It was bleedin' obvious it was going to happen but I doubt those who voted to leave appreciated that.

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/07/08/thomas-fairclough-article-50-and-the-royal-prerogative/
https://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/law/news/Craig-50.pdf

One thing's for sure, as with any vessel that has never been used or put to the test  the shake down cruise is going to be interesting.

[stephen25000]

It seems the brexiteers believe the UK is going to get special treatment.

Evidently that isn't going to happen.

[Alfie]

It seems the brexiteers believe the UK is going to get special treatment.

Evidently that isn't going to happen.

The sheer arrogance of the Ra-Ra Little Englander who believes Europe needs us more than we need them is quite breath-taking IMO.  If I was Europe I'd tell us to do one.

[stephen25000]

The sheer arrogance of the Ra-Ra Little Englander who believes Europe needs us more than we need them is quite breath-taking IMO.  If I was Europe I'd tell us to do one.

Judging by the responses to May.

Many already have.

Meanwhile doesn't article 50 have to be ratified by the other EU members ?

[Alice Purjorick]

Judging by the responses to May.

Many already have.

Meanwhile doesn't article 50 have to be ratified by the other EU members ?

Article 50 reads as follows:

   1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
   2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention….

   3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

Then the fun starts.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I think you'll find that they do, and exercise it on a regular basis.  The referendum was not legally binding and if given the opportunity to vote on it MPs could very much prove to be a spanner in the Brexit works.

Remainers party anthem #Hotel Californai- Eagles...You can check out anytime you like ...but you can never leave

A civil war will ensue, I predicted that 10 years ago. Enoch Powell saw it coming many years ago. There are none so blind as those who cannot see.

[stephen25000]

Now the bankers are going to take their headquarters to France.

So the financial liability for failure will reside there along with the taxes no longer paid to the UK Treasury.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Now the bankers are going to take their headquarters to France.

So the financial liability for failure will reside there along with the taxes no longer paid to the UK Treasury.

Some wan bankers have threatened to go to France.Cheerio. However we have Building societies, and Banks here. We as a a nation had our own bank before the EU TAKEOVER  whood a thunk that eh... We also had a car industry and well a whole lotta other things like profitable farms- only became unprofitable when EU cash as up for grabs...

So lets look at what this means... UK will no longer be able to buy or sell goods in the EU... hmmm AND the money we don't send to the EU goes.... Hmmmm scaremongering is a lost cause.

[stephen25000]

Some wan bankers have threatened to go to France.Cheerio. However we have Building societies, and Banks here. We as a a nation had our own bank before the EU TAKEOVER  whood a thunk that eh... We also had a car industry and well a whole lotta other things like profitable farms- only became unprofitable when EU cash as up for grabs...

So lets look at what this means... UK will no longer be able to buy or sell goods in the EU... hmmm AND the money we don't send to the EU goes.... Hmmmm scaremongering is a lost cause.

I don't the EU for the loss of key industries.

That is Thatcher's legacy.

Other countries had the sense to protect some of their key industries.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I don't the EU for the loss of key industries.

That is Thatcher's legacy.

Other countries had the sense to protect some of their key industries.

I am not blaming the EU I am pointing out we have HISTORY of being a great nation- standing alone against Europe over many millenium. How come we are being told we can't survive and the sky will fall on us when we leave? Eu is a bankrupt group of small nations..look at the WORLD market oh much, much bigger.

[stephen25000]

I am not blaming the EU I am pointing out we have HISTORY of being a great nation- standing alone against Europe over many millenium. How come we are being told we can't survive and the sky will fall on us when we leave? Eu is a bankrupt group of small nations..look at the WORLD market oh much, much bigger.

Yet we already import and export goods from all around the world.

e.g. A simple example, and for the life of me it makes no economic sense, I saw tomatoes imported from China in a Morrison's store.

Another, we now export Patak's curry sauces to India. Noodles for the Chinese market are produced in Leeds.......

[mercury]

I am not blaming the EU I am pointing out we have HISTORY of being a great nation- standing alone against Europe over many millenium. How come we are being told we can't survive and the sky will fall on us when we leave? Eu is a bankrupt group of small nations..look at the WORLD market oh much, much bigger.

wait for a year or two after brexit see how things pan out, no point in just believing gb will be better off on faith or past history

[Alice Purjorick]

Yet we already import and export goods from all around the world.

e.g. A simple example, and for the life of me it makes no economic sense, I saw tomatoes imported from China in a Morrison's store.

Another, we now export Patak's curry sauces to India. Noodles for the Chinese market are produced in Leeds.......

That oriental tomato will have to pay a "gate fee" or tariff as we say, to get in. Then he can jump up on the shelf and elbow off a non tariff, probably Dutch, tomato and sit in it's place but the Dutch tomato has a sepecial quality called "Guaranteed Minimum Price" which his grower will have been paid anyway..... &%+((£
Never mind it could have been worse, we could go back to the days of the sort of subsidy as introduced by the Attlee government which lived until we joined The Common Market. Hang on a minute! when we bail out of Europe I wonder what sort of subsidy UK farmers will lobby for to replace the one they just lost by Brexiting ?

[Carana]

That oriental tomato will have to pay a "gate fee" or tariff as we say, to get in. Then he can jump up on the shelf and elbow off a non tariff, probably Dutch, tomato and sit in it's place but the Dutch tomato has a sepecial quality called "Guaranteed Minimum Price" which his grower will have been paid anyway..... &%+((£
Never mind it could have been worse, we could go back to the days of the sort of subsidy as introduced by the Attlee government which lived until we joined The Common Market. Hang on a minute! when we bail out of Europe I wonder what sort of subsidy UK farmers will lobby for to replace the one they just lost by Brexiting ?

That's what I'm wondering as well.


i don't think that the referendum was based on a purely rational thinking process. It seems to have been emotive v rational.

[John]

That oriental tomato will have to pay a "gate fee" or tariff as we say, to get in. Then he can jump up on the shelf and elbow off a non tariff, probably Dutch, tomato and sit in it's place but the Dutch tomato has a sepecial quality called "Guaranteed Minimum Price" which his grower will have been paid anyway..... &%+((£
Never mind it could have been worse, we could go back to the days of the sort of subsidy as introduced by the Attlee government which lived until we joined The Common Market. Hang on a minute! when we bail out of Europe I wonder what sort of subsidy UK farmers will lobby for to replace the one they just lost by Brexiting ?

The single farm payment hasn't been lost, it will simply have a different name in 2019.

As to whether the UK will be better off or not, taking back control of our borders and keeping the worlds waifs and strays out trumps any short term loss the country might sustain.