Invoking Article 50

[Alfie]

What a ridiculous suggestion.   

Not really.  This country is going to get a lot poorer over the next few years and I personally know a number of Brexiteers who think we're all too well off enough as it is and a little bit of "hard times" is what we all need to show us the value of things again. A return to post-war misery and hardship is what they are positively looking forward to, as long as their are no HMS Windrushes full of immigrants to spoil the fun that is.

[Alice Purjorick]

For when one is short of laughs this saga is worth trying to unpick:
https://dearkitty1.wordpress.com/2016/10/27/european-union-canada-ceta-deal-after-all-much-still-unclear/
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/28/minister-convinced-nissan-to-keep-building-in-uk-with-written-pr/

'There's been communications in all forms'
Downing Street have suggested written assurances were given to Nissan, telling a Westminster briefing that the Government and the car company had communicated in "all forms".
But a spokesman reiterated that there was "no compensation package" and "nothing about tariffs".
The spokesman said: "There's been communications in all forms.
"The dialogue between Nissan and the Government has obviously been going on for some period of time."
They added: "We've made it perfectly clear, Nissan have made it perfectly clear, there was no deal, there was no compensation package, there was nothing about tariffs.

"It was just a open and honest dialogue about what the Government sees in the future for the automotive industry of this country and what we are determined to do for that industry in terms of getting the best possible deal leaving the European Union."


So we think we know there was no chat about compo packages or tariffs. That still leaves a lot to go at in the "dropsie stakes".
For general guidance, Harry S Truman on Richard Nixon:
"He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and if he ever caught himself telling the truth he would lie just to keep his hand in"....

[Alfie]

Speaking on BBC Question Time last night the business secretary who was directly involved in the talks with Nissan confirmed he 'has no chequebook' and that no financial incentives were given to the company.

Oh how shifty he looked when he said that though. 

[stephen25000]

Oh how shifty he looked when he said that though. 

Indeed, yet another BS politician doing an Ace Ventura.

[John]

It was in our interests not to leave the EU.


As to tariff free after brexit, dream on.

Speaking as a Londoner no doubt you are correct to espouse such a view.  For better or for worse most British people do not live in multicultural London so see no advantage to remaining in the EU, Irish republicans and Scottish nationalists aside, since they have their own agendas which have little to do with the economy.  Ergo the vast majority of people interested in the wellbeing of the UK voted for Brexit and are quite prepared to rough it if it means we take back control of our country.

[John]

Not really.  This country is going to get a lot poorer over the next few years and I personally know a number of Brexiteers who think we're all too well off enough as it is and a little bit of "hard times" is what we all need to show us the value of things again. A return to post-war misery and hardship is what they are positively looking forward to, as long as their are no HMS Windrushes full of immigrants to spoil the fun that is.

The EU is heading for a big fall with many major countries carrying unsustainable debt.  Once the UK leaves the EU I believe the balance will tip and other countries will follow our example.  Once that happens the EU will disintegrate completely.

[Alfie]

The EU is heading for a big fall with many major countries carrying unsustainable debt.  Once the UK leaves the EU I believe the balance will tip and other countries will follow our example.  Once that happens the EU will disintegrate completely.

And the complete disintegration of the EU will be good for Europe and world peace and prosperity generally because...?

[stephen25000]

The EU is heading for a big fall with many major countries carrying unsustainable debt.  Once the UK leaves the EU I believe the balance will tip and other countries will follow our example.  Once that happens the EU will disintegrate completely.

The UK has unsustainable debt John, as do the majority of countries around the world.

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/

P.S. I am not a 'Londoner' John, but I have lived there.

[stephen25000]

Speaking as a Londoner no doubt you are correct to espouse such a view.  For better or for worse most British people do not live in multicultural London so see no advantage to remaining in the EU, Irish republicans and Scottish nationalists aside, since they have their own agendas which have little to do with the economy.  Ergo the vast majority of people interested in the wellbeing of the UK voted for Brexit and are quite prepared to rough it if it means we take back control of our country.

Actually I find a lot of non-British, not all though, far more cultured than some of their counterparts over here.

P.S. John, it wasn't a vast majority either.

Don't you recall, that Farage said if the vote had been the other way, he would have called for a second referendum.

[Miss Taken Identity]

.so marmite will cost more,OMG lets all claim tax refunds ...

Nissan know full well, as do the other foreign car manufacturers, they would need to relocate and lose a customer base in the UK  maybe someone pointed out the maths.. how mucha costa.
Lets look at opening our very own car plant- buy British only- pinned to the Germans and  French/Japanese car manufacturers doors.

 Will the EU miss our financial commitment for their over spending/arty farty ideas/ unlected president and hangers on... oh you bet they will hence the nasty threats like a jealous ex going out of their way to try an undermine your confidence, by making out you can't live without them.

Oh and if those 'child refugees' who have lived in a camp in France are so great and wonderful we should be lucky to have them, why don't the French snap them up for themselves!? answers on back of a postage stamp please...

[John]

Actually I find a lot of non-British, not all though, far more cultured than some of their counterparts over here.

P.S. John, it wasn't a vast majority either.

Don't you recall, that Farage said if the vote had been the other way, he would have called for a second referendum.

I think you will find that those who wanted to stay in the EU form a small percentage of eligible voters and that is true in all four regions of the UK.  Even in Scotland only 38% of the electorate bother to vote remain.  And in London 2.6 m voted remain out of a pool of 5.5 m registered voters...says it all really.  Brexit...onwards and upwards!

[Carana]

.so marmite will cost more,OMG lets all claim tax refunds ...

Nissan know full well, as do the other foreign car manufacturers, they would need to relocate and lose a customer base in the UK  maybe someone pointed out the maths.. how mucha costa.
Lets look at opening our very own car plant- buy British only- pinned to the Germans and  French/Japanese car manufacturers doors.

 Will the EU miss our financial commitment for their over spending/arty farty ideas/ unlected president and hangers on... oh you bet they will hence the nasty threats like a jealous ex going out of their way to try an undermine your confidence, by making out you can't live without them.

Oh and if those 'child refugees' who have lived in a camp in France are so great and wonderful we should be lucky to have them, why don't the French snap them up for themselves!? answers on back of a postage stamp please...

Your comment: "Lets look at opening our very own car plant- buy British only- pinned to the Germans and  French/Japanese car manufacturers doors."

What are you suggesting?

What do you mean by a car plant?

I don't follow.

Trying to think about this.

A brand new type of vehicle with raw materials sourced solely in the UK. Based solely on labour of UK nationals, without foreign investment, with potential export tariffs which would be irrelevant and which would be a "must have" worldwide.

Possible. However, my impression is that spending a few weeks on holiday on the Moon in the next decade or so might be a bit more plausible.

[John]

.so marmite will cost more,OMG lets all claim tax refunds ...

Nissan know full well, as do the other foreign car manufacturers, they would need to relocate and lose a customer base in the UK  maybe someone pointed out the maths.. how mucha costa.
Lets look at opening our very own car plant- buy British only- pinned to the Germans and  French/Japanese car manufacturers doors.

 Will the EU miss our financial commitment for their over spending/arty farty ideas/ unlected president and hangers on... oh you bet they will hence the nasty threats like a jealous ex going out of their way to try an undermine your confidence, by making out you can't live without them.

Oh and if those 'child refugees' who have lived in a camp in France are so great and wonderful we should be lucky to have them, why don't the French snap them up for themselves!? answers on back of a postage stamp please...

Concise and to the point, I like it.   

I guarantee this though, give it a few weeks and the Jungle will be back as those who have been bussed off around boring disinterested France return to have another go at the UK.  Don't take my word for it though, the migrants have said as much themselves.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I think you will find that those who wanted to stay in the EU form a small percentage of eligible voters and that is true in all four regions of the UK.  Even in Scotland only 38% of the electorate bother to vote remain.  And in London 2.6 m voted remain out of a pool of 5.5 m registered voters.

Yeah, and some of those only voted becaue they believed Sturgeons wild mutterings that if we leave we would be stuck with a  Tory Government... ( instead of an unelected EU DICTATOR President)It was a UK vote and it was a majority who voted in the UK TO LEAVE.

Dry your eyes  and sit up like a good citizen lol

Sturgeon like others, are still not listening to the people, or they are covering their ears, and beliveing themselves to be our chosen dictators.

[stephen25000]

I think you will find that those who wanted to stay in the EU form a small percentage of eligible voters and that is true in all four regions of the UK.  Even in Scotland only 38% of the electorate bother to vote remain.  And in London 2.6 m voted remain out of a pool of 5.5 m registered voters...says it all really.  Brexit...onwards and upwards!

Actually John, only 37% of the potential electorate voted to leave.

Since when is 37% a majority of the population ?



....and yes, I still say Brexit is bullocks.😀