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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #195 on: November 23, 2018, 12:53:45 PM »
On March 28th 2019 if you wish to flog a hairdryer into the EU it will have to comply with the EU Electrogmatic Compatibility Directive. On April 1st 2019  if you wish to flog the same hairdryer into the EU it will have to comply with the EU Electrogmatic Compatibility Directive,so who is controlling what?........ *%87
On March 28th 2019 the UK observes EU laws. On April 1st 2019 the UK will observe EU laws because we don't have any of our own [see Repeal Act 2017] so who is controlling what?

Chris Grayling reckons we can be self sufficient in food by digging up golf courses and growing veg on them.
Some one should tell him GB has not been self sufficient in food since pre Napoleonic wars.

Our politicians clearly do not know whether they are punched, bored, drilled or countersunk in a certain area.

Ah, but Owen Paterson has it all sussed:

"Really positive discussions on the future of UK/Oklahoma trade relationship. Sadly impossible to implement with the Draft Withdrawal Agreement as UK will not control its own tariffs or regulatory environment"

https://twitter.com/OwenPaterson/status/1063860778242109441

Interesting picture of inspecting "local wheat varieties" during the trip:

https://twitter.com/OwenPaterson/status/1063871163120656384


I did have an extract of a document about US wishes for - what I understood to mean - looser regulations and labelling. I'll add link if I come across it.

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #196 on: November 24, 2018, 11:58:47 AM »
Can anyone explain to me how Paterson could possibly envisage an international trade agreement between the UK and.... Oklahoma?

Has it suddenly become an independent nation with WTO status in total secrecy? lol

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #197 on: November 26, 2018, 06:36:49 PM »
No, I thought not.

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #198 on: November 26, 2018, 06:42:06 PM »
I think you should wait and see Carana, nobody knows for sure how it will all play out but one thing is for sure, it's a price worth paying if we can control our own destiny,

What does that actually mean, John?

An FTA with a country not within the EU, nor with any of the 60+ countries with which treaties/agrrements have already been established, or are in the process of of achieving agreement, with lower standards for farming animal welfare?
« Last Edit: December 02, 2018, 02:47:43 PM by Carana »

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #199 on: December 02, 2018, 03:04:32 PM »
For anyone confused about which countries belong to the EU, the EEA, EFTA or simply a customs union, here's a handy diagram.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-12/u-s-china-10-other-countries-seek-brexit-assurances-at-wto

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #200 on: December 04, 2018, 09:45:46 AM »
An extract of Daniel Hannan's speech to the Atlas Network...

https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/1068855490577338368

Something about the triumph of the capitalist spirit was making chicken meat accessible for the masses.

US chlorinated chicken, perchance?

A bit of background:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/04/post-brexit-free-trade-deal-us-rightwing-thinktanks?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet





Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #201 on: December 14, 2018, 03:35:49 PM »
Daniel Hannan's "vision" of post-Brexit.
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/

Dystopia doesn't even describe it, IMO.

Incidentally, he looks amazingly like this Daniel Hannan:

Daniel Hannan's MEP group told to repay 535,000 in EU funds
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/13/daniel-hannan-mep-group-told-to-repay-half-a-million-in-eu-funds
« Last Edit: December 14, 2018, 05:22:04 PM by Carana »

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #202 on: December 15, 2018, 12:09:38 AM »
Who was Rees-Mogg fronting for?
We shall now have tea and speak of absurdities.


Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #204 on: December 15, 2018, 03:51:20 AM »

Online G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #205 on: December 15, 2018, 01:36:07 PM »
Worth a read, IMO.

Sir Ivan Rogers on Brexit

https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2018/12/13/full-speech-sir-ivan-rogers-on-brexit/

A damning indictment of our politicians and all correct in my opinion. No-one is prepared to be honest with the people and it's a disgrace.

It sounds to me as if the UK has already lost any chance of emerging from these negotiations without a severe trouncing by the EU.
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #206 on: December 15, 2018, 03:25:03 PM »
A damning indictment of our politicians and all correct in my opinion. No-one is prepared to be honest with the people and it's a disgrace.

It sounds to me as if the UK has already lost any chance of emerging from these negotiations without a severe trouncing by the EU.

I agree.

If we put aside the bluff, there are really only 3 options (on the table or not).

1. No deal (I suppose I could dig out the "technical notices" if anyone is really interested in Project Reality in that event). Spoiler: they amount to what used to be branded as "Project Fear".

2. May's deal - a kind of half-way house that may or may not involve a customs union, and clamps down on freedom of movement between EU nations... and that goes both ways.

A most bizarre stipulation is the requirement for 5 continuous years of "CSI" coverage - which no one seems to have heard of. Normally, you paid into your state of residence or into your state of origin and medical bills are reimbursed to the host country.

Applying for settled status if you've been an Armed Forces spouse moving around seems even more complicated.


None of the Canada, Norway, Switzerland variations come without a massive cost.

All of the above have a negative economic impact. It's just that May's deal is less detrimental than the other variations.

3. Status quo (Remain) Not on the cards yet. But I'd be grateful if someone could explain how any of these Brexit "solutions" ranging from bad to catastrophic would provide the UK with a) a rosier future in general and b) an answer to the underlying gripes in the first place?

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #207 on: December 15, 2018, 03:35:48 PM »
A damning indictment of our politicians and all correct in my opinion. No-one is prepared to be honest with the people and it's a disgrace.

It sounds to me as if the UK has already lost any chance of emerging from these negotiations without a severe trouncing by the EU.

Not sure. Seemingly a court case has been won in the CJEU (irony klaxon) and the UK Parliament can revoke A50 uniltaterally, which obviates all 27 EU members needing to agree and poking their favourite stick in the way at the last minute.

No one seems to agree on what Brexit even meant. IMO, the solution is to remain, until such time as people can actually be fully informed of what's at stake. In the meantime, the UK would retain its voices at the table to bring about change from within on points of disagreemennt.

IMO, there are far more disadvantages to leaving now and trying to get back in later (rebate, euro, Shengen, various other opt-outs) than remaining now and working out a viable exit some time down the road.

If I had a choice, I wouldn't let 3-year-old politician pack my parachute.


Online G-Unit

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #208 on: December 16, 2018, 03:18:20 PM »
Not sure. Seemingly a court case has been won in the CJEU (irony klaxon) and the UK Parliament can revoke A50 uniltaterally, which obviates all 27 EU members needing to agree and poking their favourite stick in the way at the last minute.

No one seems to agree on what Brexit even meant. IMO, the solution is to remain, until such time as people can actually be fully informed of what's at stake. In the meantime, the UK would retain its voices at the table to bring about change from within on points of disagreemennt.

IMO, there are far more disadvantages to leaving now and trying to get back in later (rebate, euro, Shengen, various other opt-outs) than remaining now and working out a viable exit some time down the road.

If I had a choice, I wouldn't let 3-year-old politician pack my parachute.

I think a simple question was asked and a simple answer was given. If the politicians knew it wasn't a simple question they shouldn't have asked it, but they did and their job is simple; leave.
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit has well and truly begun!
« Reply #209 on: December 16, 2018, 05:40:42 PM »
I think a simple question was asked and a simple answer was given. If the politicians knew it wasn't a simple question they shouldn't have asked it, but they did and their job is simple; leave.

https://youtu.be/svwslRDTyzU