Interpreting the facts using a different paradigm

[Robittybob1]

Certainly if it turns out that Madeleine woke and wandered then no crime was committed.  If she woke and wandered and was picked up outside the apartment then abduction is the crime.

What happens if that the person who finds her thinks she needs urgent medical care and takes her to a place where help is given.  On and on from there too.  She gets left there and the contact address doesn't compute so they send her to an orphanage ....On and on from there too... someone takes her from the orphanage but doesn't register that she is MM.

[Angelo222]

What happens if that the person who finds her thinks she needs urgent medical care and takes her to a place where help is given.  On and on from there too.  She gets left there and the contact address doesn't compute so they send her to an orphanage ....On and on from there too... someone takes her from the orphanage but doesn't register that she is MM.

That's just nonsense.  However more likely she could have been run over and taken from the scene by the driver fearful of the consequences.  Children hit by cars sustain head and neck injuries...there doesn't have to be blood loss initially.

As for the open window that could have been opened by a burglar who scared Madeleine forcing her to exit the apartment.  Then again people do and say things while in shock, for all we know Kate opened the window and lifted the shutter in the chaos and has a mental block about it.

[Robittybob1]

That's just nonsense.  However more likely she could have been run over and taken from the scene by the driver fearful of the consequences.  Children hit by cars sustain head and neck injuries...there doesn't have to be blood loss initially.

As for the open window that could have been opened by a burglar who scared Madeleine forcing her to exit the apartment.  Then again people do and say things while in shock, for all we know Kate opened the window and lifted the shutter in the chaos and has a mental block about it.

I'm not saying that the extreme no crime situation actually happened but when I looked at possibilities it could still be included.  You can't logically exclude it.

[Alfie]

I think you will find several instances quite easily if you Google it.

I have checked the first three pages of Google with the phrase "child falls in hole and earth covers them up", nothing has come up that would be remotely relevant to a child falling into a man-made hole such as roadworks and then being covered by the earth.   Perhaps you can help?

[ferryman]

stranger abduction is very plausible and has happened many times

I think many is the correct adjective.

If you take stranger-abductions as a proportion of all abductions, the number is doubtless quite small.

But if you look at each instance in its own right, then there are quite a lot.

You only need to know that it has happened to know, also, that it could ...

[Brietta]

I think many is the correct adjective.

If you take stranger-abductions as a proportion of all abductions, the number is doubtless quite small.

But if you look at each instance in its own right, then there are quite a lot.

You only need to know that it has happened to know, also, that it could ...

There is no record of a child being abducted from Luz before or since Madeleine McCann's disappearance.  That does not rule out that Madeleine may have been abducted.

[Robittybob1]

There is no record of a child being abducted from Luz before or since Madeleine McCann's disappearance.  That does not rule out that Madeleine may have been abducted.

What they don't have domestics over there?

[Robittybob1]

stranger abduction is very plausible and has happened many times

But did the stranger go into apartment G5A?  There is virtually no suitable window of opportunity.  Yet there are people doing "checks" on the kids and that is legit. 
Would abductions by friends and family have an even higher incidence than stranger abduction? An abduction can be done in stages and with stages this allows for another party to find the abductee or to see the abductor acting suspiciously.  With Jes in the area (with his child not sleeping) he is the perfect observer of such events.  Can a rear view of a man walking a dark alley way be enough to identify a person (the abductor)?  I don't think it is good enough, he could possibly be mistaken. 

[ShiningInLuz]

Earthquakes are common here, because we are on the Europe/Africa tectonic boundary.  By sheer coincidence, we had another quake in the last week.  It was large enough to bring down plaster from our living room wall.

But it would be pushing the odds in Maddie's case.

[Mr Gray]

But did the stranger go into apartment G5A?  There is virtually no suitable window of opportunity.  Yet there are people doing "checks" on the kids and that is legit. 
Would abductions by friends and family have an even higher incidence than stranger abduction? An abduction can be done in stages and with stages this allows for another party to find the abductee or to see the abductor acting suspiciously.  With Jes in the area (with his child not sleeping) he is the perfect observer of such events.  Can a rear view of a man walking a dark alley way be enough to identify a person (the abductor)?  I don't think it is good enough, he could possibly be mistaken.

statement from SY.....
as experienced investigators...based on the evidence...we believe Madeleine McCann was removed from the apartment by a stranger....DCI Redwood...Scotland Yard

Neither the McCanns nor their friend are persons of interest or suspects

[Robittybob1]

Earthquakes are common here, because we are on the Europe/Africa tectonic boundary.  By sheer coincidence, we had another quake in the last week.  It was large enough to bring down plaster from our living room wall.

But it would be pushing the odds in Maddie's case.

It is still an option but if it is ruled out, it is out.  So there was no report of an earthquake - Earthquake is not one of the final options.

[Robittybob1]

statement from SY.....
as experienced investigators...based on the evidence...we believe Madeleine McCann was removed from the apartment by a stranger....DCI Redwood...Scotland Yard

Neither the McCanns nor their friend are persons of interest or suspects

Is that their answer today?  That statement was made back some time ago and since then I have sent in at least 9 reasons why they were wrong.  Did they listen, I think they have.  Therefore they will come out with a new statement soon.

[Robittybob1]

Someone mentioned another possible option :"someone had the key of the apartment or a copy of the key".
Yes could be very handy for a burglar to have keys copied but you need more than that to have the intention to abduct a kid  .... what do you do next, you've got to feed it and cloth it and stop it crying etc.
This guy has been mentioned as suspect doing burglaries  in the area http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOSE_SILVA.htm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/28/madeleine-mccann-abducted-during-botched-burglary/

[John]

I'm willing to place a small wager with Angelo and John that more children are abducted by strangers every year, than accidentally fall into holes with earth falling on top of them.

And even more are abducted by someone they know and trust.

[Mr Gray]

And even more are abducted by someone they know and trust.

we understand that...the mccann case does not fit that scenario