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Offline Brietta

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #135 on: August 26, 2016, 10:19:40 PM »
"I would be 60-80% sure that it was ........" is a doubt? That's a pretty strong statement accusing somebody of carrying a child. You don't discard leads like that without further investigation.

Please don't forget that Richard McCluskey made exactly the same misidentification prompted by exactly the same media information.  Which is hardly surprising since he too had made a witness statement and he too had continued an interest in Madeleine's case.  There had been saturation media coverage of the parents and numerous lying newspaper reports about them which must have had an influence.
Then ... WOW ... her parents were made the chief suspects in Madeleine's disappearance.


131 Additional statement of Richard McCluskey 2007.05.09 (English)
05-01-Apensos V, Vol 1, Pages 131
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm


1123 to 1125 - Service information re Ukrainian couple ruled out
TRANSLATED BY INES
5 - 5 APENSOS V, Volume V Pages 1123-1125
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm#a5v5p1123
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #136 on: August 26, 2016, 10:23:45 PM »
That was investigated and the man found. Smithman is not so the investigation continues........
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #137 on: August 26, 2016, 10:43:00 PM »
That was investigated and the man found. Smithman is not so the investigation continues........

Please read Mr McCluskey's additional statement.  Then compare it with Mr Smith's additional statement.  They are almost verbatim.

You have at least recognised the point I make that Mr McCluskey's initial witness statement had been checked out by the PJ and the people involved traced and eliminated from the inquiry.

If it had not been so ... there are those who would have been affirming not one misidentification (Smith) but two (Smith/McCluskey).

Mr Smith alone of his family was the only one who altered his statement.

One tends to wonder why there is no record of the same diligence being given to the initial Smith statement as that carried out on the McCluskey's which enabled the elimination process resulting in the false dual identification  (Smith/McCluskey) leading the investigation astray.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #138 on: August 26, 2016, 11:37:51 PM »
  A statement like that seems totally false to me,  why would he not sleep for 11 days and nights, that shows he is totally nuts IMO.

the irony lol

Offline Brietta

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #139 on: August 27, 2016, 01:46:42 AM »
The fact we know nothing about Smithman doesn't necessarily mean that the police are in the same place.  There can be few cold cases which turn up one hundred and ninety five investigative opportunities to be going on with.  DCI Redwood expressed an intense interest in Smithman therefore we can perhaps assume that Smithman numbers somewhere in that little lot.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2016, 03:01:10 PM by John »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #140 on: August 27, 2016, 01:49:28 AM »
Missing child was wearing top with very short-sleeves.
Child seen by witness AS was wearing top with long sleeves.
Deduction: not the same child.

Online misty

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #141 on: August 27, 2016, 01:57:52 AM »
Missing child was wearing top with very short-sleeves.
Child seen by witness AS was wearing top with long sleeves.
Deduction: not the same child.

AS did exceptionally well to remember so much detail 3 weeks later about not one but two people glimpsed for mere seconds in a darkened area.
Most people can't immediately recall the 20 items on a memory board after being given 20 seconds observation time.
Maybe she got the sleeve length wrong.

Offline pegasus

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #142 on: August 27, 2016, 02:18:04 AM »
... Maybe she got the sleeve length wrong.
IMO that sounds like rewriting a witness statement to fit a theory Misty.

Online misty

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #143 on: August 27, 2016, 02:30:44 AM »
IMO that sounds like rewriting a witness statement to fit a theory Misty.

I wouldn't do anything like that, Pegasus.  8)--))
You know my thoughts on Smithman.

Offline pegasus

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #144 on: August 27, 2016, 02:58:50 AM »
I wouldn't do anything like that, Pegasus.  8)--))
You know my thoughts on Smithman.
Seriously, draw an efit of the missing child.
Then draw an efit of the child seen by witness AS.
The 2 efits totally do not match.
A theory which is disproven by a single plausible witness statement is an incorrect theory.

« Last Edit: August 27, 2016, 03:01:27 AM by pegasus »

Online misty

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #145 on: August 27, 2016, 03:08:45 AM »
Seriously, draw an efit of the missing child.
Then draw an efit of the child seen by witness AS.
The 2 efits totally do not match.
A theory which is disproven by a single plausible witness statement is an incorrect theory.
"Pass the typex, ignore the witness, let's change long to short" is not the way to solve a case.

You have to look at the real reason behind the efits not matching imo. The carrier was the focus of attention, not the child.

Offline mercury

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #146 on: August 27, 2016, 03:21:13 AM »
No, because there is definitely another witness for the very short sleeves Merc.
Who? KM?

Offline pegasus

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #147 on: August 27, 2016, 03:29:41 AM »
You have to look at the real reason behind the efits not matching imo. The carrier was the focus of attention, not the child.
If you draw an efit of the missing child, and an efit of the child seen by AS (Crimewatch didn't do either), the huge difference is obvious - the sleeve length.


Offline Carana

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #148 on: August 27, 2016, 01:27:36 PM »
Gonçalo Amaral claimed that the e-fits were effectively a ruse created in order
to discredit the Smith sighting and were not based on the Smith recollections.


Key witness identified the father of Maddie



21 October 2013

Gonçalo Amaral reveals that key testimony was undervalued at the time of disappearance

Key witness identified the father of Maddie.   Gonçalo Amaral reveals that key testimony was undervalued at the time of disappearance. The testimony of one of the Smith family members who identified Gerry McCann as the man who saw the night of the disappearance of Maddie carrying a child in her arms the way to the beach [Light] was devalued after I leave the case. "It's a lie that the portrait e-fit that the British police released is now based on the testimony of the Smith family."

"The statements are Gonçalo Amaral, former coordinator of the PJ who investigated the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the Correio da Manha. And come in following the pictures robot disclosure by the Scotland Yard pointing one of the drawings as the main suspect in the alleged abduction of the English child, the May 3, 2007 - who claim to have been made ​​based on the testimony of an Irish family vacationed in Praia da Luz when Maddie disappeared.

"The Smith family told us what they saw that night. A man, alien, athletic, burned face from the sun, like the tourists, and hid his face not to be seen with a blonde child in her arms,"said Goncalo Amaral. "Shortly thereafter, when the McCann family ' fled 'to the UK, and were greeted at the airport by TV, a Smith family member called us, very distressed. Gerry [father of Maddie], which was off the plane, was the man that Mr. Smith had seen carrying a child that night," explained the former coordinator. For Gonçalo Amaral, "there was a positive identification, which was set aside." "The McCanns hired detectives who made a picture, a man like Gerry, to devalue the testimony," he said.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/testemunha-chave-identificou-pai-de-maddie.html

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A small question. Why didn't Amaral organise efits himself when he got family members back over in May 2007?

Offline John

Re: Gonçalo Amaral claimed that so-called Smithman e-fits were simply a ruse!
« Reply #149 on: August 27, 2016, 03:05:49 PM »
A small question. Why didn't Amaral organise efits himself when he got family members back over in May 2007?

I could be wrong but didn't the PJ have to use an artist to create an impression of Eggman/Tannerman? 
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.