british police stop forensic work

[carlymichelle]

No more forensic work on Madeleine McCann case say British police


   
By Nick Dorman
6 Aug 2016

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/no-more-forensic-work-madeleine-8577193


Operation Grange was costing more and more of taxpayers money while other areas face budget cuts

 

British police hunting for missing Madeleine McCann have made the decision to stop all forensic work.

The Sunday Mirror can reveal the final scientific tests on the case were completed three months ago as part of Scotland Yard’s £12million inquiry.

Operation Grange was launched by ex-PM David Cameron five years ago to find the doctors’ daughter, who vanished, aged three, during a holiday to Portugal in 2007.

But it is expected to be shelved in the autumn amid concerns about its spiralling cost while other areas of policing face budget cuts.

A source said: “The final forensics were carried out about three months ago but, sadly, they didn’t take us forward. There are no plans for any further forensic work to take place.”
It had been hoped tests could be carried out on hairs recovered from the holiday flat from which Madeleine vanished.

It is a further blow for parents Kate and Gerry, who lost a £434,000 libel payout in April from a Portuguese officer who wrote a book questioning the pair’s account.
The couple, from Rothley, Leics, said: “Until we have answers, until there is news, there will always be hope and we will do everything we can to help find Madeleine.”

The inquiry has taken 1,338 statements and investigated 60 “persons of interest” but police privately concede they are no closer to finding Madeleine.

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[Robittybob1]

Maybe the right person has owned up!

[mercury]

This is the end

By the doors

(not patio or bedroom ones)

[John]

  No more forensic work on Madeleine McCann case say British police

    20:53, 6 Aug 2016
    Updated 20:53, 6 Aug 2016
    By Nick Dorman

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/no-more-forensic-work-madeleine-8577193


Operation Grange was costing more and more of taxpayers money while other areas face budget cuts

 

British police hunting for missing Madeleine McCann have made the decision to stop all forensic work.

The Sunday Mirror can reveal the final scientific tests on the case were completed three months ago as part of Scotland Yard’s £12million inquiry.

Operation Grange was launched by ex-PM David Cameron five years ago to find the doctors’ daughter, who vanished, aged three, during a holiday to Portugal in 2007.

But it is expected to be shelved in the autumn amid concerns about its spiralling cost while other areas of policing face budget cuts.

A source said: “The final forensics were carried out about three months ago but, sadly, they didn’t take us forward. There are no plans for any further forensic work to take place.”
It had been hoped tests could be carried out on hairs recovered from the holiday flat from which Madeleine vanished.

It is a further blow for parents Kate and Gerry, who lost a £434,000 libel payout in April from a Portuguese officer who wrote a book questioning the pair’s account.
The couple, from Rothley, Leics, said: “Until we have answers, until there is news, there will always be hope and we will do everything we can to help find Madeleine.”

The inquiry has taken 1,338 statements and investigated 60 “persons of interest” but police privately concede they are no closer to finding Madeleine.

SY were never ever going to get anywhere fast in this case given that everything they did had to be done by proxy with one hand tied behind their back.

[Miss Taken Identity]

SY were never ever going to get anywhere fast in this case given that everything they did had to be done by proxy with one hand tied behind their back.

Yes I agree, There should not have been a predetermined parameter, having said that, it was very interesting that the story about 'paedophilegang' and CF and the 'friendship' with the McCanns was brought into the open. Still nothing from the McCanns 'sauces' to discuss these matters- no interviews...Hmm the silence is deafening.

[Brietta]

SY were never ever going to get anywhere fast in this case given that everything they did had to be done by proxy with one hand tied behind their back.

I think the tabloid article is just a non-story using a tried and tested selling point ... Madeleine.

In any case whether run of the mill or high profile, when there is no more material available for testing what normally happens?  The tests cease.  Nothing at all remarkable in that.

I am certain that should the situation be altered by materials becoming available either in an historic or current context which require forensic testing ... the required testing will be carried out.

It would be interesting to know how far the Scotland Yard case has progressed regarding the amount of fine tuning of the available evidence gathered over the years since Madeleine disappeared has enabled elimination of some and retention of some.
It would also be interesting to know how far the Portuguese case has progressed.  Has anyone heard any noises about them closing down their separate investigation?

I'm not looking forward to Scotland Yard's present search for Madeleine McCann ceasing without resolution to what happened to her over ten years ago.
I know there are some whose eagerness for such knows no bounds; but the fat lady hasn't sung yet and the fact remains that someone somewhere knows what happened; so the tabloid interest even if only to sell copy has a value in keeping her name to the fore in public consciousness and at some time in the future may even allow her to trace who she is.

[G-Unit]

SY were never ever going to get anywhere fast in this case given that everything they did had to be done by proxy with one hand tied behind their back.

All of which was obvious when they took the case on. Why do you think they accepted the job, John?

1. They couldn't really refuse as the media would have said they 'refused to look for Madeleine'
2. They saw a chance of using the funding elsewhere.
3. They actually thought they could solve it.

[Alfie]

All of which was obvious when they took the case on. Why do you think they accepted the job, John?

1. They couldn't really refuse as the media would have said they 'refused to look for Madeleine'
2. They saw a chance of using the funding elsewhere.
3. They actually thought they could solve it.

Because it was the right thing to do.

[Carana]

Assuming that new forensic tests were actually done as per the article, the information gleaned will be on record somewhere (hopefully). Unfortunately, they don't appear to have led to a breakthrough for the moment.

However, they may have been able to a) eliminate those with a legitimate reason to have been in that apartment at a time that made their involvement impossible (or highly unlikely), or b) they are left with profiles of persons as yet of unknown identity.

At least one cold murder case in the UK was eventually solved when police took a routine DNA sample from someone on a traffic charge. It turned out that the traffic charge person had sufficient DNA in common with the DNA of someone at a crime scene, which led to further investigations... and eventually led to a relative.

And no, I can't remember enough of the details to provide a link.

[jassi]

I think there have been a few cases like that, where familial links have solved long dormant cases, but I guess it all depends on having the crucial samples in the first place for comparison purposes.

[Carana]

I think there have been a few cases like that, where familial links have solved long dormant cases, but I guess it all depends on having the crucial samples in the first place for comparison purposes.

Indeed. I feel a bit sorry for the original PJ forensic team who seemed to have done their best with so few resources in an emergency situation.

That said, if Amaral had been on the ball, he could have requested a more thorough forensic investigation a few days later, but didn't.

He managed to place blame on just about everyone except himself, yet he was the head honcho in charge, with woefully little experience in such cases.

As I've said numerous times, I don't place all the blame on him. What I object to is that he made a fortune out of speculation based on his frankly bizarre interpretations of "facts", plus his exaggerations and reporting of unverifiable hearsay.

[G-Unit]

The reports from the Portuguese Forensic people were much clearer and more informative than the FSS ones, I was impressed. They seem to have identified some connections between G5A, Murat's house and car, the Burgau apartment and some furniture from??


The Haplotypes identified by the letters B, E, Ea, V, V*, X, Y, Z, AA, AAa e AA* are different from those above and distinct from the reference samples, having the same Haplotype been found in distinct locations:

Haplotype B - apart. Ocean Club and apart. Burgau
Haplotypes E, Ea - apart. Ocean Club and sofa of 1-seat in the garage in Portimao
Haplotypes V, V* - apart. Ocean Club and vehicle Renault
Haplotype X - apart. Ocean Club e sofa of 1-seat in the garage in Portimao
Haplotype Y - apart. Ocean Club e sofa of 1-seat in the garage in Portimao
Haplotype Z - Residencia Liliana e sofa of 1-seat in the garage in Portimao
Haplotypes AA, AAa, AA* - apartment in Burgau and vehicle Passat
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

[Carana]

The reports from the Portuguese Forensic people were much clearer and more informative than the FSS ones, I was impressed. They seem to have identified some connections between G5A, Murat's house and car, the Burgau apartment and some furniture from??


The Haplotypes identified by the letters B, E, Ea, V, V*, X, Y, Z, AA, AAa e AA* are different from those above and distinct from the reference samples, having the same Haplotype been found in distinct locations:

Haplotype B - apart. Ocean Club and apart. Burgau
Haplotypes E, Ea - apart. Ocean Club and sofa of 1-seat in the garage in Portimao
Haplotypes V, V* - apart. Ocean Club and vehicle Renault
Haplotype X - apart. Ocean Club e sofa of 1-seat in the garage in Portimao
Haplotype Y - apart. Ocean Club e sofa of 1-seat in the garage in Portimao
Haplotype Z - Residencia Liliana e sofa of 1-seat in the garage in Portimao
Haplotypes AA, AAa, AA* - apartment in Burgau and vehicle Passat
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

But those were haplotypes identified from hairs sent to the PT lab, not the UK one. And they were forensic mtDNA tests, which means sod all unless you were the only Icelander in the middle of the Kalahari.

NB Figuratively speaking...

[mercury]

One wonders why they bother to do those tests then

A bit like KM sayng death scent lasts no longer than a month but people here are arguing i n her defence well, it can last 5 years after all, and uk police spend manpower and resources after 3 months

someone is wrong here,wonder who

[G-Unit]

But those were haplotypes identified from hairs sent to the PT lab, not the UK one. And they were forensic mtDNA tests, which means sod all unless you were the only Icelander in the middle of the Kalahari.

NB Figuratively speaking...

I know what they are and who tested them. The results were what could be expected too. The largest amount of samples taken from G5A came from the McCann family.

Kate McCann's maternal bloodline was present in 53 samples, which makes sense as three other family members shared her mtDNA, as did Jose Maria Batista Roque.

Gerry McCann's mtDNA was in 24 samples.

Other people's mtDNA was present in one or two hairs only.

No matches were found between the McCann's or their friend's mtDNA and samples found elsewhere than G5A [with one exception, Jane Tanner].
No matches were found between the samples found in G5A and those found in locations related to the Murats.

So it is interesting that some matching samples were found in unconnected locations. It could suggest connections which shouldn't exist.

mtDNA has been used in US courts, so not entirely irrelevant it seems.