Was Smithman on his way to the Luz Medical Centre?

[sadie]

Not totally, for the emergency requiring Smithman to go to the DocLuz clinic could be justified by saying his daughter was hit by a car on the main road coming in to PDL.    There was that patch of blood further up the road but it was mixed blood and mostly male human blood. So the simulation of the vehicle hit and run accident did not really work.

He definitely wasn't going to Luzdoc Robitty.

Aoife, in her statement, describes him coming towards her from her left.  That means that he was heading in an easterly or possibly southerly direction.

He certainly was not going west. 

LuzDoc was to the west, so he wasn't going there.

[Robittybob1]

He definitely wasn't going to Luzdoc Robitty.

Aoife, in her statement, describes him coming towards her from her left.  That means that he was heading in an easterly or possibly southerly direction.

He certainly was not going west. 

LuzDoc was to the west, so he wasn't going there.

In the maps I saw DocLuz was marked by an "M" for Mary I presumed so when he passed Mary he went past DocLuz.

[G-Unit]

Always assuming the child knew where she was going.  In sheer terror she could very well have been distracted and crossed the road remembering that that was the route she took to the club every morning.  Remember too that the Portuguese tracker dogs followed Madeleine's scent as far as the lamp post on the opposite side of the road to the entrance to mini reception.

The tracker dogs started from the front door of G5A and followed a very unlikely route for a lone child to take in the dark.

[Robittybob1]

The tracker dogs started from the front door of G5A and followed a very unlikely route for a lone child to take in the dark.

This "front door of G5A" is that the unlocked sliding door or the locked one?
There is no way Madeleine could have gone out the locked wooden door without assistance.  Whereas it might be possible for a 4 year old to open the unlocked sliding door.
Has anyone got that as a diagram so there is no question which door we are talking about?

[Robittybob1]

In my theory the person extracting Madeleine from the apartment is a different person to Smithman.  So if the initial tracking of Madeleine from the apartment doesn't relate well to where Smithman goes this is expected.= as they are separate motives being acted out in both those movements.
I would expect most of the others who support the abduction theory would probably assume the abductor, e.g. Smithman if involved, took Madeleine from her bed. 

[John]

IMO that route crossing road then crossing road again makes sense only if the child did not know for certain where the missing adults were.

I agree, there is no evidence that Madeleine ever went out for a walk at night so such an environment would be alien to her.  Accepting for the moment that she was woken up and startled by an intruder attempting to get into the apartment via her bedroom window, once she left the relative elevated safety of the apartment balcony she would be effectively lost and disorientated.  She could very well have crossed the road but turned back when she recognised the entrance to mini reception.

[John]

He definitely wasn't going to Luzdoc Robitty.

Aoife, in her statement, describes him coming towards her from her left.  That means that he was heading in an easterly or possibly southerly direction.

He certainly was not going west. 

LuzDoc was to the west, so he wasn't going there.

You can't possibly say that.  By the time he reached the side door to Luzdoc which would have coincided with him passing Peter Smith he would have seen through the door/windows that the medical centre was closed.  That could be why he went down the right side of Rua da Escola Primária after passing Peter yet he went straight across the road thereafter. 

[Robittybob1]

I agree, there is no evidence that Madeleine ever went out for a walk at night so such an environment would be alien to her.  Accepting for the moment that she was woken up and startled by an intruder attempting to get into the apartment via her bedroom window, once she left the relative elevated safety of the apartment balcony she would be effectively lost and disorientated.  She could very well have crossed the road but turned back when she recognised the entrance to mini reception.

And what happens after that?  How does she go missing altogether following this scenario?  Does the intruder come around and pick her up outside "the entrance to mini reception"?

[John]

And what happens after that?  How does she go missing altogether following this scenario?  Does the intruder come around and pick her up outside "the entrance to mini reception"?

All this is purely hypothetical Rob, we are looking at the possibility she was hit by a motor vehicle.  I refer you to my initial post.

It could have played out something like this. 

Madeleine exits apartment after being freaked out by an intruder attempting to get in through the bedroom window, runs out into street and is knocked down by a passing motorist.  In the gloom and with nobody about and seeing that the child is lifeless the driver panicks, lifts the child, puts her in his vehicle and drives off to consider his next move. Maybe he doesn't have a licence, maybe he is underage, intoxicated, has no insurance, a banned driver, out on the rob, the possibilities are endless.

After a delay his conscience gets the better of him, he then decides to take Madeleine for treatment on the off chance that the medical centre is open so returns to the town and drives down to where he can park.  He then carries the child down to the medical centre passing the first of the Smiths before realising it is closed.  Terrified he walks on so as not to attract undue attention, he passes the rest of the Smith family and goes down the steps to get out of the way only to return the way he came and return to his vehicle.  Realising the girl really is deceased he reviews his options and drives off.

And so the Madeleine McCann mystery is born.

[Robittybob1]

All this is purely hypothetical Rob, we are looking at the possibility she was hit by a motor vehicle.  I refer you to my initial post.

I remember that now, so you could link them together????  And this not seen or heard by the people in reception.  I need to know the layout better.

[Robittybob1]

All this is purely hypothetical Rob, we are looking at the possibility she was hit by a motor vehicle.  I refer you to my initial post.

Hi John you and I could have a very similar theory in fact.  It would be after the hit and run that the Smithman would come in and take the injured girl to seek medical help. But later something happens that makes the transfer back to the McCanns difficult. (It is understanding the situation that makes the transfer difficult that I have been working on.)

[John]

I remember that now, so you could link them together????  And this not seen or heard by the people in reception.  I need to know the layout better.

Mini reception was not normally manned in the evening, it was simply the access point from the street to the gardens/pool/tapas area.

[John]

Hi John you and I could have a very similar theory in fact.  It would be after the hit and run that the Smithman would come in and take the injured girl to seek medical help. But later something happens that makes the transfer back to the McCanns difficult. (It is understanding the situation that makes the transfer difficult that I have been working on.)

If she was run over between blocks 5 and 6 then the driver would not know where she originated and with no witnesses God knows what would go through his mind...all purely hypothetical of course!

The map below might help you to identify specific locations.

[Robittybob1]

If she was run over between blocks 5 and 6 then the driver would not know where she originated and with no witnesses God knows what would go through his mind...all purely hypothetical of course!

The map below might help you to identify specific locations.

So when it says they went to reception to call the police they go to the building with 7 on it?  A couple of minutes walk from the Tapas restaurant.  Thanks for that layout diagram.

[Robittybob1]

Did you notice that Luz Doc is 16 on this information pamphlet so basically everyone would know roughly where it is soon after arriving.