Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?

[Rachel Granada]

Here are my thoughts on the question about Bamber ever being released:  No, not ever.  I Am of the belief that he would still present a danger.  Anyone who could shoot two sleeping children in the head, then massacre his parents and sister and try to use Sheila's illness to scapegoat her, will never be rehabilitated.  To also have the audacity to keep on protesting his innocence is the hallmark of a manipulative phsycopath in my opinion.  I am very glad that he has no chance of ever being released, as I believe that he may go after the Boutflours or Julie Mugford.

Sensible post.
I agree completely that anyone protesting his innocence, and being able to convince others of it to such an extent they work for him - is hallmark of being extremely manipulative.

Yes actualmat... Bamber was found guilty and appeals have been rejected.  I am in no doubt whatsoever of his guilt in the murders.  I just can't get over the fact that Bamber tried to sell topless photographs of his recently murdered sister.  To me, this is so telling.  I agree with what you say about him being extremely manipulative.  That he continues to protest his innocence in the face of such overwhleming evidence to the contrary makes him even more of a monster in my opinion.  If he had done the decent thing and held his hand up and shown some remorse, then perhaps the UK Public may have a little less contempt for him.

[starryian]

My own personal opinion is this; Bamber should never be released. Nor should he ever be considered for another appeal hearing and waste yet more taxpayers money on another one of Bamber's 'fads'
The hurt, pain and suffering that this poor excuse for a human being has caused other people is inculculable. In my view that debt can never be repaid, no matter how long he sits in a cell. What we can do is deprive this animal of his liberty and the clear and present threat he poses to anyone else. To those that say he now longer poses a risk, I say this; the only proficient indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour. Those who who say that he has 'done his time' have not felt the pain, grief and unimaginable horror of this callous individual deliberately and wilfully forced onto others. I cannot understand any argument that allows this child-murderer any chance of freedom while he is alive. The very thing he deliberately denied to his victims must to be denied to him. This is as close to the concept of justice befitting what he has done that we can ever hope for. Just to remind those that call for him to be released to remember this; little Daniel and Nicholas would be 34 years old today if they had lived. Probably fathers and husbands themselves. Sheila would be 54. Possibly a young grandmother doting over her grandchildren. A beautiful and caring woman, probably still tinting her hair to hold back the march of time. Nevil and June would have been 89 in their frail dotage, loving and giving as ever and probably still fussing over the boys and grandchildren. Then there is the added factor of the sheer damage done to the fabric of the wider family. The Eatons and Boutflours and numerous others will probably never be the same, trusting and open people ever again. The deep psychological scars will remain with them for the rest of their lives.
In short, if not for the psychopathic monster that robbed them of their lives so brutally, they would have every chance of still being with us. For the lives that he stole and for the unborn that he robbed of their prospective lives and for the horror he forced onto decent, hardworking and caring people. For the lies and the shameless slandering of the relatives and the breathtaking arrogance in refusing to accept an iota of responsibility for what he has undoubtedly done  For the devious, deliberate and callous misleading of supportive and well-meaning people; I say he must never, ever see the light of day and enjoy a life that he so callously denied others.

[Andrea]

We can rest assured that Bamber wont be getting released, ever. He will end his days in prison.
I watched a case on the crime channel last ight, Anthony Arkwright, he killed 4 people including his own Grandfather. His crimes were horrific. He was sentenced to life at trial, then his crimes were reviewed it was then decided that he should serve a whole life tarriff, and rightly so. Just like JB.

[John]

I am a firm believer in mercy even for mass murderers so if he confesses he should be given the opportunity for parole at some stage.

[Rachel Granada]

My own personal opinion is this; Bamber should never be released. Nor should he ever be considered for another appeal hearing and waste yet more taxpayers money on another one of Bamber's 'fads'
The hurt, pain and suffering that this poor excuse for a human being has caused other people is inculculable. In my view that debt can never be repaid, no matter how long he sits in a cell. What we can do is deprive this animal of his liberty and the clear and present threat he poses to anyone else. To those that say he now longer poses a risk, I say this; the only proficient indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour. Those who who say that he has 'done his time' have not felt the pain, grief and unimaginable horror of this callous individual deliberately and wilfully forced onto others. I cannot understand any argument that allows this child-murderer any chance of freedom while he is alive. The very thing he deliberately denied to his victims must to be denied to him. This is as close to the concept of justice befitting what he has done that we can ever hope for. Just to remind those that call for him to be released to remember this; little Daniel and Nicholas would be 34 years old today if they had lived. Probably fathers and husbands themselves. Sheila would be 54. Possibly a young grandmother doting over her grandchildren. A beautiful and caring woman, probably still tinting her hair to hold back the march of time. Nevil and June would have been 89 in their frail dotage, loving and giving as ever and probably still fussing over the boys and grandchildren. Then there is the added factor of the sheer damage done to the fabric of the wider family. The Eatons and Boutflours and numerous others will probably never be the same, trusting and open people ever again. The deep psychological scars will remain with them for the rest of their lives.
In short, if not for the psychopathic monster that robbed them of their lives so brutally, they would have every chance of still being with us. For the lives that he stole and for the unborn that he robbed of their prospective lives and for the horror he forced onto decent, hardworking and caring people. For the lies and the shameless slandering of the relatives and the breathtaking arrogance in refusing to accept an iota of responsibility for what he has undoubtedly done  For the devious, deliberate and callous misleading of supportive and well-meaning people; I say he must never, ever see the light of day and enjoy a life that he so callously denied others.

Starryian, that is an excellent post and I agree with all that you have said.  The extended family have of course also suffered terribly due to Bamber's actions, as you say.  I just keep thinking of all the "what ifs"...  how things could have been for the victims had Bamber's greed not got in the way. 

[Rachel Granada]

I am a firm believer in mercy even for mass murderers so if he confesses he should be given the opportunity for parole at some stage.

I respect your viewpoint John, although diametrically opposed to my own.  In your opinion, do you think that Bamber would no longer be a danger if released? I just have this horrible picture of him going after the Boutflours an Julie Mugford. 

[Rachel Granada]

We can rest assured that Bamber wont be getting released, ever. He will end his days in prison.
I watched a case on the crime channel last ight, Anthony Arkwright, he killed 4 people including his own Grandfather. His crimes were horrific. He was sentenced to life at trial, then his crimes were reviewed it was then decided that he should serve a whole life tarriff, and rightly so. Just like JB.

Hello Andrea, a book I am reading has a chapter on Arkwright and I just read it earlier.  Apparently he committed the murders because he wanted to be more famous than the Yorkshire Ripper.  Absolutely shocking case, and so glad that like Bamber he will never see the outside of a prison wall ever again.

[John]

I am a firm believer in mercy even for mass murderers so if he confesses he should be given the opportunity for parole at some stage.

I respect your viewpoint John, although diametrically opposed to my own.  In your opinion, do you think that Bamber would no longer be a danger if released? I just have this horrible picture of him going after the Boutflours an Julie Mugford.

Yes, I agree but the authorities would have to be satisfied that he was beyond a danger to anyone.

[Rachel Granada]

I am a firm believer in mercy even for mass murderers so if he confesses he should be given the opportunity for parole at some stage.

I respect your viewpoint John, although diametrically opposed to my own.  In your opinion, do you think that Bamber would no longer be a danger if released? I just have this horrible picture of him going after the Boutflours an Julie Mugford.

Yes, I agree but the authorities would have to be satisfied that he was beyond a danger to anyone.

True.  I wouldn't like to be on a parole board.  Fair do's, many parolees do go on to lead productive lives but there have been mistakes made in the past, with awful consequences.  A tough job, trying to come to a decision.

[Mr Justice K]

May I intercede in this discussion.   The family of the victims will have had some say in relation to the way in which Mr Bamber's imprisonment is managed.  I believe he was refused a category downgrade because of those very reasons,  ie he is still seen as a danger to the extended family.

I don't see him being released unless by prerogative of the Home Secretary at some time in the future and then when he is a very old man and beyond any significant risk to any person within the family.

[Rachel Granada]

May I intercede in this discussion.   The family of the victims will have had some say in relation to the way in which Mr Bamber's imprisonment is managed.  I believe he was refused a category downgrade because of those very reasons,  ie he is still seen as a danger to the extended family.

I don't see him being released unless by prerogative of the Home Secretary at some time in the future and then when he is a very old man and beyond any significant risk to any person within the family.

Thank you Mr Justice K, info much appreciated.

[John]

May I intercede in this discussion.   The family of the victims will have had some say in relation to the way in which Mr Bamber's imprisonment is managed.  I believe he was refused a category downgrade because of those very reasons,  ie he is still seen as a danger to the extended family.

I don't see him being released unless by prerogative of the Home Secretary at some time in the future and then when he is a very old man and beyond any significant risk to any person within the family.

I understand he made threats against the family when his various civil actions failed.  For anyone who doesn't know he was forced to dispose of his shares in the Osea Caravan Park to pay the family's legal fees.  This left the family in a position to take up the shares which meant that they now retain and enjoy overall control of the Park.

Jeremy Bamber is consequently and effectively penniless following these failed civil actions.

[Matthew Wyse]

hmm...   thats the last thing someone in his position should be doing if he ever wants to see freedom again.   If I recall he also sent nasty letters to the family, possibly that is what you were referring to??   

[Outlook]

On top of the threats we also have Tesco driving up and down Pages Lane and posting the videos on Youtube and boasting about looking through their windows.  Combine this with the endless threats and abuse from the Bamber supporters (all three of them) and you have a sustained campaign of terror conducted for almost 30 years against the various families.

Personally I would never release him.  Dispose of the ashes secretly otherwise the Bamberettes will have a "Jimmy Saville style" headstone for him.

[Redblossom]

I was never convinced of his guilt