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Offline John

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2012, 08:25:08 PM »
I think as John seems to do, JB had assistance, although i'd also agree he could of easily of done it on his own.
me,i cant see him getting any further appeal-wise. difficult to put yourself in his shoes,but if it were me,i'd put all my efforts into a reinstatement of the original min. term, fess up and perhaps get some sun on my back when i'm in my 70's. Otherwise he's going out in a box...

Evening Tony.

The more I have looked at the people who were involved with Jeremy and there are several, the more I believe at least some of them knew what he was up to.  I am not talking about Julie here, these are male individuals.  One of them even boasted to his friends that he had taken part and was able to describe some of the scene. 

That aside, I am quite confident the at least one individual provided material assistance to Jeremy in the murder of his family.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Offline abs

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2012, 08:39:13 PM »
I think as John seems to do, JB had assistance, although i'd also agree he could of easily of done it on his own.
me,i cant see him getting any further appeal-wise. difficult to put yourself in his shoes,but if it were me,i'd put all my efforts into a reinstatement of the original min. term, fess up and perhaps get some sun on my back when i'm in my 70's. Otherwise he's going out in a box...

Evening Tony.

The more I have looked at the people who were involved with Jeremy and there are several, the more I believe at least some of them knew what he was up to.  I am not talking about Julie here, these are male individuals.  One of them even boasted to his friends that he had taken part and was able to describe some of the scene. 

That aside, I am quite confident the at least one individual provided material assistance to Jeremy in the murder of his family.

I don´t think you will answer, but I´ll ask anyway. Who - and how did you learn about this?

P.S. I have said this before, but the only way I personally can see Jeremy having pulled those murders off would have been with an accomplice. For that reason, I am of course very curious about this.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2012, 08:54:41 PM by abs »

Offline frank50

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2012, 10:06:42 PM »
Why an accomplice? He knew the house; he knew the guns; he was evil enough - why couldnt he have managed it alone? I still think that having an accomplice would have made it much riskier proposition for him .
I think as John seems to do, JB had assistance, although i'd also agree he could of easily of done it on his own.
me,i cant see him getting any further appeal-wise. difficult to put yourself in his shoes,but if it were me,i'd put all my efforts into a reinstatement of the original min. term, fess up and perhaps get some sun on my back when i'm in my 70's. Otherwise he's going out in a box...

Evening Tony.

The more I have looked at the people who were involved with Jeremy and there are several, the more I believe at least some of them knew what he was up to.  I am not talking about Julie here, these are male individuals.  One of them even boasted to his friends that he had taken part and was able to describe some of the scene. 

That aside, I am quite confident the at least one individual provided material assistance to Jeremy in the murder of his family.

I don´t think you will answer, but I´ll ask anyway. Who - and how did you learn about this?

P.S. I have said this before, but the only way I personally can see Jeremy having pulled those murders off would have been with an accomplice. For that reason, I am of course very curious about this.

Offline John

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2012, 12:56:08 AM »
Why an accomplice? He knew the house; he knew the guns; he was evil enough - why couldnt he have managed it alone? I still think that having an accomplice would have made it much riskier proposition for him .


He could very well have managed it alone and most probably did but there is evidence of others involvement in the crime.  My own personal belief is that he did have help but not necessarily in the house that morning.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2012, 07:37:38 AM »
Why an accomplice? He knew the house; he knew the guns; he was evil enough - why couldnt he have managed it alone? I still think that having an accomplice would have made it much riskier proposition for him .


He could very well have managed it alone and most probably did but there is evidence of others involvement in the crime.  My own personal belief is that he did have help but not necessarily in the house that morning.

What do you mean by material assistance John...., transport from and to Bourtree Cottage in the middle of the night... lessons in how to kill efficiently in as little time as possible?

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2012, 09:02:44 AM »
Why an accomplice? He knew the house; he knew the guns; he was evil enough - why couldnt he have managed it alone? I still think that having an accomplice would have made it much riskier proposition for him .


He could very well have managed it alone and most probably did but there is evidence of others involvement in the crime.  My own personal belief is that he did have help but not necessarily in the house that morning.

What do you mean by material assistance John...., transport from and to Bourtree Cottage in the middle of the night... lessons in how to kill efficiently in as little time as possible?

Funny you should mention that?  I have always found the fact that a certain two fellows had strong alibis for the night prior to the murders. One even was in another country.  Very contrived and very convenient don't you think?
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Offline Tim Invictus

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2012, 10:59:37 AM »
Has anyone looked into 'Gav' ... Grahme's SBS mate who won the DSO? He showed himself willing to attack people because his mate Grahme had been treated like a pillock on a forum! That shows a propensity for easy violence.and the SBS are highly trained Special Forces therefore expert killers.  Also Grahame lives in the area of WHF so I imagine Gav probably lived close by.

This obviously isn't insulting anyone on the Blue forum as neither Gav or Grahame are not members there anymore!

 ?>)()< 
« Last Edit: November 06, 2012, 11:02:03 AM by Tim Invictus »

Offline goatboy

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2012, 08:22:35 PM »
On the blue forum one member posted that they would be "gutted" if there turned out to be concrete proof of Bamber's guilt coming to light. "Gutted"? "Gutted" that he had spent 27 years in prison for a good reason? I think I speak for all of us that if proper unambiguous evidence of his innocence was discovered none of us here who currently think he is guilty would be "gutted" that we were wrong. What I would feel would be more important would be that an innocent man should go free from jail and that justice would have been served. That would be more important to me than to be smug about the fact I had been right all along. That's not to say I feel that it is likely that concrete proof of his evidence will emerge to overturn his conviction, though I must admit to a very tiny doubt over his guilt (we can none of us be 100% sure of this if we weren't actually there to witness what happened). Though I think John put it best when he said if Bamber is not guilty he is either the stupidest or unluckiest man who ever lived.

Offline abs

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2012, 08:39:09 PM »
Why an accomplice? He knew the house; he knew the guns; he was evil enough - why couldnt he have managed it alone? I still think that having an accomplice would have made it much riskier proposition for him .

For me it is mainly about overpowering three adults; the boys were, as it seems, "easy" enough, and SORRY to use that phrase, but they were asleep (thank God), and posed no "danger" to the killer. Still, it would all have taken some time - and made some noise.
I am thinking about the different overall feel and look about Sheila in death - her parents were in a bad shape, bruised and bloody. I don´t  understand the peacefulness about Sheila, I don´t understand that she was so very clean and unbruised (except for a gauged wound on her stomach), I don´t get where Sheila was while her sons and parents were being killed.
I feel it would have been difficult for one man to control Sheila while killing the rest of the family. I don´t see any traces of her having cried - that is strange (in any case).
And before anyone points it out, it is odd too, if you think that Sheila was the killer that she was unbruised and so clean.
Something is missing. It would have been managable for two persons, but one? I cannot see it.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2012, 09:24:40 PM by abs »

Offline goatboy

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2012, 09:42:56 PM »
Those are some very good points, Abs. Sheila doesn't look at all like someone who has beaten a strong 6 ft tall man senseless and gone on a gun rampage, which is part of the reason why she couldn't have done it and why Jeremy must have been somehow involved. However, assuming Sheila was the last to die how was she kept calm while the rest were being murdered (particularly her children?). She wasn't drugged which would have been the obvious method as the postmortem revealed no traces of anything that could have incapacitated her.

Offline John

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2012, 02:46:14 AM »
Those are some very good points, Abs. Sheila doesn't look at all like someone who has beaten a strong 6 ft tall man senseless and gone on a gun rampage, which is part of the reason why she couldn't have done it and why Jeremy must have been somehow involved. However, assuming Sheila was the last to die how was she kept calm while the rest were being murdered (particularly her children?). She wasn't drugged which would have been the obvious method as the postmortem revealed no traces of anything that could have incapacitated her.

She could have been temporarily incapacitated with something like chloroform which in small quantities is undetectable.   Someone else suggested that she had been locked in her bedroom or even the box room next door to the master bedroom but if that had happened I think she would have been in a bit of a state as she would have heard the shots.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline goatboy

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2012, 08:11:40 AM »
I did wonder whether or not chloroform was detectable in the bloodstream. I would have guessed that it wasn't though I'm not a scientist. Chloroform or something similar would certainly have incapacitated her and stopped her getting in the way. Where would Jeremy have got it from though?

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2012, 08:22:32 AM »
98 days until 10,000 days in the Bamber slammer! 10,000 days of justice!  8((()*/

Offline John

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2012, 04:23:33 PM »
Some excellent points as to whether Jeremy Bamber should ever be released and I agree with the suggestion that if he comes clean and admits to his crime and gives up those who helped him then the possibility of parole should be considered at some stage.  If he doesn't I cannot see a time when he would ever be considered for release.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?
« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2012, 04:36:06 PM »
Why an accomplice? He knew the house; he knew the guns; he was evil enough - why couldnt he have managed it alone? I still think that having an accomplice would have made it much riskier proposition for him .

For me it is mainly about overpowering three adults; the boys were, as it seems, "easy" enough, and SORRY to use that phrase, but they were asleep (thank God), and posed no "danger" to the killer. Still, it would all have taken some time - and made some noise.
I am thinking about the different overall feel and look about Sheila in death - her parents were in a bad shape, bruised and bloody. I don´t  understand the peacefulness about Sheila, I don´t understand that she was so very clean and unbruised (except for a gauged wound on her stomach), I don´t get where Sheila was while her sons and parents were being killed.
I feel it would have been difficult for one man to control Sheila while killing the rest of the family. I don´t see any traces of her having cried - that is strange (in any case).
And before anyone points it out, it is odd too, if you think that Sheila was the killer that she was unbruised and so clean.
Something is missing. It would have been managable for two persons, but one? I cannot see it.



abs..... this incident took place in the middle of the night when the occupants were most likely asleep or dozing, and least of all expecting anybody entering into their bedroom to kill them.
As a victim of crime myself not long ago, I know what it's like to be suddenly awoken at 2 o'clock in the morning from a drowsy state.... you don't realise what is happening until its too late!!

The killing has all the hallmarks of an assassination... a pre-planned unexpected assault taking place within minutes.

I agree with you that the sleeping twins could have been the first in line, the assailant then reloading immediately in their bedroom (possibly with a pre-loaded magazine), before bursting into the parents' bedroom in a surprise attack, June being shot first whilst lying in bed, Nevill then getting up to stop the onslaught but by being shot & severely injured in the process, attempted to get out of the way by rushing downstairs to raise the alarm, or to find a weapon to retaliate with, or simply to survive..., closely followed by the killer.

If Sheila was in a Haloperidol-induced sedated state then it's possible that she was unaware of what was happening at all. In such a compliant condition, it would have been easier for the killer to coax or manipulate her.

What is more difficult to figure out is how & why she ended up at her parents' bedside.

Perhaps if she was awake & alert, she may have been the last to become aware of the commotion outside her bedroom on the stairs or in the kitchen, got up, saw her mother lying in the doorway, then went to check on the twins, heard her brother return upstairs and tried to hide in the box-room between the twins' and parents' bedrooms, or after passing through that room, attempted to conceal herself by crouching/kneeling at Nevill's side of the bed, where she was then discovered and shot. It's also possible that she fainted when she was confronted there, and thus put up no resistance at all. Everything was happening so fast and unexpectedly that she was in shock and didn't get the chance to cry!

As such there doesn't have to be an accomplice..., unless he played a minor role such as a co-driver from Goldhanger/Bourtree cottage to WHF and back, as disposer of evidence, eg. clothes, gloves, etc. or less likely, as tutor in combat/killing techniques.

If you are right in your belief that there was another active participant... then I'm afraid Jeremy Bamber has only himself to blame for spending nearly three decades behind bars without coming clean and admitting to it, and letting his partner-in-crime get away with it.

But in my opinion it's more acceptable in his own mind (and safer in terms of prisoner retaliation) for him to blame Sheila, when he alone was the culprit.

For me a paragraph in Blood Relations stands out, in which about a week before the trial the defence team were discussing the case along with a psychiatrist, who expressed his opinion that Jeremy Bamber displayed classic psychopathic traits, in that the awfulness of what he had done had been pushed to the back of his mind, dropped off and forgotten as if it didn't exist at all.

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[I don't think Sheila had a gauged (gouged?) wound on her stomach, did she?]
« Last Edit: November 07, 2012, 06:10:50 PM by Myster »
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.