Should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?

[ActualMat]

Great post, Myster.

[puglove]

Why an accomplice? He knew the house; he knew the guns; he was evil enough - why couldnt he have managed it alone? I still think that having an accomplice would have made it much riskier proposition for him .

For me it is mainly about overpowering three adults; the boys were, as it seems, "easy" enough, and SORRY to use that phrase, but they were asleep (thank God), and posed no "danger" to the killer. Still, it would all have taken some time - and made some noise.
I am thinking about the different overall feel and look about Sheila in death - her parents were in a bad shape, bruised and bloody. I don´t  understand the peacefulness about Sheila, I don´t understand that she was so very clean and unbruised (except for a gauged wound on her stomach), I don´t get where Sheila was while her sons and parents were being killed.
I feel it would have been difficult for one man to control Sheila while killing the rest of the family. I don´t see any traces of her having cried - that is strange (in any case).
And before anyone points it out, it is odd too, if you think that Sheila was the killer that she was unbruised and so clean.
Something is missing. It would have been managable for two persons, but one? I cannot see it.

abs..... this incident took place in the middle of the night when the occupants were most likely asleep or dozing, and least of all expecting anybody entering into their bedroom to kill them.
As a victim of crime myself not long ago, I know what it's like to be suddenly awoken at 2 o'clock in the morning from a drowsy state.... you don't realise what is happening until its too late!!

The killing has all the hallmarks of an assassination... a pre-planned unexpected assault taking place within minutes.

I agree with you that the sleeping twins could have been the first in line, the assailant then reloading immediately in their bedroom (possibly with a pre-loaded magazine), before bursting into the parents' bedroom in a surprise attack, June being shot first whilst lying in bed, Nevill then getting up to stop the onslaught but by being shot & severely injured in the process, attempted to get out of the way by rushing downstairs to raise the alarm, or to find a weapon to retaliate with, or simply to survive..., closely followed by the killer.

If Sheila was in a Haloperidol-induced sedated state then it's possible that she was unaware of what was happening at all. In such a compliant condition, it would have been easier for the killer to coax or manipulate her.

What is more difficult to figure out is how & why she ended up at her parents' bedside.

Perhaps if she was awake & alert, she may have been the last to become aware of the commotion outside her bedroom on the stairs or in the kitchen, got up, saw her mother lying in the doorway, then went to check on the twins, heard her brother return upstairs and tried to hide in the box-room between the twins' and parents' bedrooms, or after passing through that room, attempted to conceal herself by crouching/kneeling at Nevill's side of the bed, where she was then discovered and shot. It's also possible that she fainted when she was confronted there, and thus put up no resistance at all. Everything was happening so fast and unexpectedly that she was in shock and didn't get the chance to cry!

As such there doesn't have to be an accomplice..., unless he played a minor role such as a co-driver from Goldhanger/Bourtree cottage to WHF and back, as disposer of evidence, eg. clothes, gloves, etc. or less likely, as tutor in combat/killing techniques.

If you are right in your belief that there was another active participant... then I'm afraid Jeremy Bamber has only himself to blame for spending nearly three decades behind bars without coming clean and admitting to it, and letting his partner-in-crime get away with it.

But in my opinion it's more acceptable in his own mind (and safer in terms of prisoner retaliation) for him to blame Sheila, when he alone was the culprit.

For me a paragraph in Blood Relations stands out, in which about a week before the trial the defence team were discussing the case along with a psychiatrist, who expressed his opinion that Jeremy Bamber displayed classic psychopathic traits, in that the awfulness of what he had done had been pushed to the back of his mind, dropped off and forgotten as if it didn't exist at all.

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[I don't think Sheila had a gauged (gouged?) wound on her stomach, did she?]

Sheila had a slight graze wound on her stomach, covered by a small dressing.

[Myster]

Sheila had a slight graze wound on her stomach, covered by a small dressing.

I see Shona... I took it that abs thought it occurred during the confrontation with the killer.

[Myster]

Great post, Myster.

Cheers Mat! 

[John]

Great post, Myster.

Cheers Mat! 

Yes, I second that...a brill post.  I will respond to it later.   

[devils advocate]

The question is should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?

I am not too sure about this question since it depends on several factors.    I would agree that the question of his confessing would be a significant factor in him eventually getting parole at some time.   As it stands I fail to see how the parole board could ever even begin to consider such an application.

Jeremy Bamber knows exactly what he has or has not done.  He knows that the cards and indeed the odds are stacked against him.  if he were a smart fellow he would concede defeat honourably and show remorse for what he has done.   Failure to do so will see him doomed to die in prison and be buried anonymously in some porpers grave somewhere.

[Angelo222]

The question is should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?

I am not too sure about this question since it depends on several factors.    I would agree that the question of his confessing would be a significant factor in him eventually getting parole at some time.   As it stands I fail to see how the parole board could ever even begin to consider such an application.

Jeremy Bamber knows exactly what he has or has not done.  He knows that the cards and indeed the odds are stacked against him.  if he were a smart fellow he would concede defeat honourably and show remorse for what he has done.   Failure to do so will see him doomed to die in prison and be buried anonymously in some porpers grave somewhere.

This has become a game for Jeremy Bamber and most people who follow the case can see it.  Have you all noticed recently how the emphasis has again shifted to Sheila??  Yes, sister Sheila has yet again become Bambers scapegoat and may yet become his Nemesis and have the last laugh.  Had Jeremy not implicated Sheila in the murders in the way he did there would not be available to us the mountain of evidence which points directly towards his good self. A mistake which has signed his fate.

[thedarkman]

If he'd committed one murder, yes, two at the same time, maybe, but five, premeditated. Surely you jest?

[ActualMat]

If he'd committed one murder, yes, two at the same time, maybe, but five, premeditated. Surely you jest?

Agreed. He should never get out, he won't - even if the ECHR case falls in his favour the British government will keep him behind bars for life, just using a different process than a 'whole life term'.

[Andrea]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3434772/Killer-Jeremy-Bambers-fury-at-judges.html

[ActualMat]

The question is should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?

I am not too sure about this question since it depends on several factors.    I would agree that the question of his confessing would be a significant factor in him eventually getting parole at some time.   As it stands I fail to see how the parole board could ever even begin to consider such an application.

Jeremy Bamber knows exactly what he has or has not done.  He knows that the cards and indeed the odds are stacked against him.  if he were a smart fellow he would concede defeat honourably and show remorse for what he has done.   Failure to do so will see him doomed to die in prison and be buried anonymously in some porpers grave somewhere.

This has become a game for Jeremy Bamber and most people who follow the case can see it.  Have you all noticed recently how the emphasis has again shifted to Sheila??  Yes, sister Sheila has yet again become Bambers scapegoat and may yet become his Nemesis and have the last laugh.  Had Jeremy not implicated Sheila in the murders in the way he did there would not be available to us the mountain of evidence which points directly towards his good self. A mistake which has signed his fate.

Great post.
Remember not too long ago, there were rumblings from Bamber that he hadn't actually said "Sheila has the gun" But that "She has" or "He has" and his were written down correctly.

After years of it being "sheila has the gun!" An attempt was made to change it - why? Because forensically Sheila no way in hell had that gun so by making the either SHEILA OR JEREMY, Bamber sealed his fate with that fake phone call.

[Iggy68]

If he'd committed one murder, yes, two at the same time, maybe, but five, premeditated. Surely you jest?

 
not to mention the rather cowardly manner in which he murdered the 2 young boys

[Outlook]

The question is should Jeremy Bamber ever be released?

I am not too sure about this question since it depends on several factors.    I would agree that the question of his confessing would be a significant factor in him eventually getting parole at some time.   As it stands I fail to see how the parole board could ever even begin to consider such an application.

Jeremy Bamber knows exactly what he has or has not done.  He knows that the cards and indeed the odds are stacked against him.  if he were a smart fellow he would concede defeat honourably and show remorse for what he has done.   Failure to do so will see him doomed to die in prison and be buried anonymously in some porpers grave somewhere.

This has become a game for Jeremy Bamber and most people who follow the case can see it.  Have you all noticed recently how the emphasis has again shifted to Sheila??  Yes, sister Sheila has yet again become Bambers scapegoat and may yet become his Nemesis and have the last laugh.  Had Jeremy not implicated Sheila in the murders in the way he did there would not be available to us the mountain of evidence which points directly towards his good self. A mistake which has signed his fate.

Great post.
Remember not too long ago, there were rumblings from Bamber that he hadn't actually said "Sheila has the gun" But that "She has" or "He has" and his were written down correctly.

After years of it being "sheila has the gun!" An attempt was made to change it - why? Because forensically Sheila no way in hell had that gun so by making the either SHEILA OR JEREMY, Bamber sealed his fate with that fake phone call.

Jeremy was adamant at the time it was Sheila.  He repeats this over an over to the police.  It is only to Julie he talks of it being a "hitman."  If we read JBs statement of 11th September 1985 it is only on on Page 27 after being told his sister was murdered that JB starts to move from "Sheila" to "She has."  Even then after being given every opportunity to get his story right by Stan Jones he still drops back to "Sheila."

This has come up on "Blue" several times.  In general they have moved from Sheila to a third party.  The third party being variously "The Police" to "Special Branch" to various other members of the extended family or drug dealers in the area.  In desperation they see this as a more neutral and acceptable position once it is accepted it could not possibly be Sheila.  Only criminals argue the police did it, conspiracy nutters argue "Special Branch" or "MI5". 

In short JB was given every opportunity to identify a third party but he adamantly sticks to "Sheila" in his interviews and the Trial.  The issue of "She has" or "He has" is a later invention to broaden the appeal of the conspiracy story.

[Rachel Granada]

Here are my thoughts on the question about Bamber ever being released:  No, not ever.  I Am of the belief that he would still present a danger.  Anyone who could shoot two sleeping children in the head, then massacre his parents and sister and try to use Sheila's illness to scapegoat her, will never be rehabilitated.  To also have the audacity to keep on protesting his innocence is the hallmark of a manipulative phsycopath in my opinion.  I am very glad that he has no chance of ever being released, as I believe that he may go after the Boutflours or Julie Mugford.

[ActualMat]

Here are my thoughts on the question about Bamber ever being released:  No, not ever.  I Am of the belief that he would still present a danger.  Anyone who could shoot two sleeping children in the head, then massacre his parents and sister and try to use Sheila's illness to scapegoat her, will never be rehabilitated.  To also have the audacity to keep on protesting his innocence is the hallmark of a manipulative phsycopath in my opinion.  I am very glad that he has no chance of ever being released, as I believe that he may go after the Boutflours or Julie Mugford.

Sensible post.
I agree completely that anyone protesting his innocence, and being able to convince others of it to such an extent they work for him - is hallmark of being extremely manipulative.