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Offline John

Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« on: August 04, 2016, 06:35:39 PM »
Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?

According to the Smith family, their encounter with Smithman was fleeting to say the least.  Mrs Smith for her part was close enough to the stranger to offer a passing greeting in the form of a question as to whether the child was sleeping.  She received no response whatsoever.  For his part, Mr Martin Smith observed that the stranger lowered his head as they passed him in what one can only surmise was an attempt to hide his face.  Son Peter Smith on the other hand stated in his statement that the individual did not try to hide his face or lower his look, doing nothing that could be perceived as strange.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm#p6p1615

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« Last Edit: August 27, 2016, 03:41:50 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2016, 08:12:32 AM »
The options for Smithman carrying a girl urgently toward the DocLuz facility :
1.  MM needing urgent treatment for an overdose of drugs
2. MM needing urgent treatment for some injury
3.  Smithman talking his own daughter needing urgent treatment for some injury.
4.  Smithman talking his own daughter needing urgent treatment following a hit and run accident.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2016, 09:07:23 AM »
The options for Smithman carrying a girl urgently toward the DocLuz facility :
1.  MM needing urgent treatment for an overdose of drugs
2. MM needing urgent treatment for some injury
3.  Smithman talking his own daughter needing urgent treatment for some injury.
4.  Smithman talking his own daughter needing urgent treatment following a hit and run accident.
Trouble with this is that Smithman was walking at normal pace.
What's up, old man?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2016, 09:15:58 AM »
Trouble with this is that Smithman was walking at normal pace.

Not in the statement I just read "— The individual's gait was normal, between a fast walk and a run. He did not look tired, moving in a manner usual when one carries a child." 1611 to 1614 Witness testimony of Aoife Smith taken 2007/05/26
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2016, 10:23:27 AM »
Not in the statement I just read "— The individual's gait was normal, between a fast walk and a run. He did not look tired, moving in a manner usual when one carries a child." 1611 to 1614 Witness testimony of Aoife Smith taken 2007/05/26
Try the Portuguese version.  Aoife said his speed was normal, and that she could tell that from fast to a run.
What's up, old man?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2016, 10:32:05 AM »
Try the Portuguese version.  Aoife said his speed was normal, and that she could tell that from fast to a run.
I can't read Portuguese sorry.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2016, 01:26:48 PM »
Try the Portuguese version.  Aoife said his speed was normal, and that she could tell that from fast to a run.
Could you write the sentence in Portuguese please?
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Offline misty

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2016, 04:14:53 PM »
6-Processos, Volume VI, pgs. 1611 to 1614
 
06_VOLUME_VIa_Page_1613
 

 
Date of Diligence: 2007.05.26 10h45
Location: This Department
Name: Aoife Smith

*snipped*
"O caminhar do individuo era normal, sabendo distinguir o mesmo entre o andar apressado e o correr. O mesmo nao aparentava cansaco, deslocando-se de forma normal quando se leva uma crianca ao colo."


Offline John

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2016, 04:25:48 PM »
I agree.  According to the Smiths he was walking normally with his daughter held against his shoulder.  The only slightly odd behaviour was his refusal to acknowledge the Smiths and Mrs Smith in particular and the way he looked down when passing them.

Had Smithman been up to no good however I don't think he would have gone anywhere near the Smith group. Given there were nine of them including several children they must have been heard before they were seen giving Smithman the opportunity to veer off.

Smithman could be yet another red herring?
« Last Edit: August 10, 2016, 04:30:30 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline misty

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2016, 04:47:34 PM »
I agree.  According to the Smiths he was walking normally with his daughter held against his shoulder.  The only slightly odd behaviour was his refusal to acknowledge the Smiths and Mrs Smith in particular and the way he looked down when passing them.

Had Smithman been up to no good however I don't think he would have gone anywhere near the Smith group. Given there were nine of them including several children they must have been heard before they were seen giving Smithman the opportunity to veer off.

Smithman could be yet another red herring?

Smithman was only relevant for who he wasn't, not for who he was. IMO.

Offline Brietta

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2016, 05:28:30 PM »
I agree.  According to the Smiths he was walking normally with his daughter held against his shoulder.  The only slightly odd behaviour was his refusal to acknowledge the Smiths and Mrs Smith in particular and the way he looked down when passing them.

Had Smithman been up to no good however I don't think he would have gone anywhere near the Smith group. Given there were nine of them including several children they must have been heard before they were seen giving Smithman the opportunity to veer off.

Smithman could be yet another red herring?

I don't think they would have been particularly noisy, John.  They were split up. 
Peter and his family were walking ahead - his children were aged 13 and 6 and his nieces aged 10 and 4; his wife was feeling unwell and there is no suggestion the children were running about playing.
His parents were walking a distance behind and Aoife was walking on her own behind them.

I don't think it is particularly odd that he did not acknowledge Mrs Smith's greeting.  If he was an English speaker, he may have thought she was making a statement of the obvious; his brisk gait indicated he was anxious to reach his destination.
He may not have heard or may not have realised the comment was directed at him.
He may not have understood if English was not his first language. Or he may have just been one of those people who do not acknowledge a stranger's greeting.

Neither do I attach any significance to him looking down as noted by Mr Smith.  He may not have been 'hiding' his features.  He was walking downhill carrying a burden, it makes sense every so often to look down to check one's footing.

I tend to agree that smithman is indeed a red herring.

One thing which does puzzle me is why the thirteen year old was interviewed in Eire but while the twelve year old returned to Luz to participate in the family reconstruction of events, he did not.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2016, 05:31:38 PM »
Smithman was only relevant for who he wasn't, not for who he was. IMO.

Then it was turned on its head when he became relevant for who he was.  Multitasking?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline misty

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2016, 05:42:58 PM »
I don't think they would have been particularly noisy, John.  They were split up. 
Peter and his family were walking ahead - his children were aged 13 and 6 and his nieces aged 10 and 4; his wife was feeling unwell and there is no suggestion the children were running about playing.
His parents were walking a distance behind and Aoife was walking on her own behind them.

I don't think it is particularly odd that he did not acknowledge Mrs Smith's greeting.  If he was an English speaker, he may have thought she was making a statement of the obvious; his brisk gait indicated he was anxious to reach his destination.
He may not have heard or may not have realised the comment was directed at him.
He may not have understood if English was not his first language. Or he may have just been one of those people who do not acknowledge a stranger's greeting.

Neither do I attach any significance to him looking down as noted by Mr Smith.  He may not have been 'hiding' his features.  He was walking downhill carrying a burden, it makes sense every so often to look down to check one's footing.

I tend to agree that smithman is indeed a red herring.

One thing which does puzzle me is why the thirteen year old was interviewed in Eire but while the twelve year old returned to Luz to participate in the family reconstruction of events, he did not.

Father, son, daughter went.  The 13 year was not a blood-related Smith.

*snipped* from Aoife's statement.

"When they arrived at the apartment they met her brother, Peter Smith, her sister-in-law, S.McD.Smith, her nephew (six years old), CO** and the son of her sister-in-law, TA*** (13 years old)"


When someone is walking down a hill towards you, wouldn't you be more aware of their footwear than their face?

Offline Brietta

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2016, 06:10:03 PM »
Father, son, daughter went.  The 13 year was not a blood-related Smith.

*snipped* from Aoife's statement.

"When they arrived at the apartment they met her brother, Peter Smith, her sister-in-law, S.McD.Smith, her nephew (six years old), CO** and the son of her sister-in-law, TA*** (13 years old)"


When someone is walking down a hill towards you, wouldn't you be more aware of their footwear than their face?

Today I was in deep conversation on four different occasions with other dog walkers one of whom I walked with for forty five minutes and left at my gate where we conversed for another five minutes.
I could not tell you what a single one of them was wearing ... nor could I provide an accurate description of the two people I didn't know and would probably have great difficulty describing the two I know really well.

Describing anyone I met and spoke to a fortnight ago ????  No chance.
How I envy those blessed or cursed with total recall.

There could have been nothing really outstanding or memorable about the Smith encounter or it wouldn't have taken them a fortnight to even remember having one.

Once one did remember the family demonstrated phenomenal recall and observational powers which over the course of time seem to have improved the further removed they were from the incident. 
 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2016, 07:58:15 PM »
There were 9 witnesses. If you had a friend with you they may remember the male dog walker was wearing a white coat and you may go yes I remember that now etc...etc....There was only one person they saw on that short journey.

Adds further that his son TA*** was questioned in Ireland and said that the individual was dressed in a long-sleeved coat/jacket, black in colour, and that the child was barefoot. (Peter Smith 26 May 2007)

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.