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Offline pegasus

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2016, 09:45:26 PM »
Well that changes the probable outcomes again unless they just knew that one phrase. Which is rather unlikely.  I know when I was in Italy the locals loved it when you spoke their language so you'd always say Good day in Italian but that was it.
By the time I'm finished it will be 100% certain the article will get accepted.
Speaking english she asked something like "is she asleep?" Robbity (source is a news article).
The fact that the man did not reply is an almost certain indication that he did not understand english.
It's not rocket science.

Offline pegasus

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2016, 10:45:00 PM »
That's certainly one possibility, the other being he didn't want to be recognised by a distinctive accent if he was an English speaker.
The man (seen by smiths) took no measures to prevent his own height, build, skin colour, hair length, hair colour, clothing and shoes being seen. And he took no measures to prevent the child's height, skin colour, hair length, hair colour, clothes, and absence of footwear being seen. So if he was an abductor (or a body-mover) he was an incredibly stupid one who was unlikely to have the intelligence to even think about the far smaller risk of recognition by accent.

IMO all sightings where a visible child was being carried can be automatically ruled out as irrelevant.
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Offline pegasus

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2016, 04:46:12 PM »
After a mandatory 8 years of English in school, to not understand "is she sleeping" is ignorance.

The point is significant. Do you have a cite?
Was 8 years of learning english mandatory in Portugal in the 1980's Shining when Smithman went to school?
Also Smithman might have migrated to Portugal from Brazil, Spain, France, Italy or another country, after leaving school.
And please excuse the nosiness, how fluent have you become in portuguese Shining?
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2016, 02:15:57 AM »
Was 8 years of learning english mandatory in Portugal in the 1980's Shining when Smithman went to school?
Also Smithman might have migrated to Portugal from Brazil, Spain, France, Italy or another country, after leaving school.
And please excuse the nosiness, how fluent have you become in portuguese Shining?
I haven't researched this topic thoroughly, but we have been told by Portuguese people this should apply to anyone under about 60.

I am not fluent in Portuguese, because everyone here speaks English. Shops, the bank, car hire/repair, the gardener, the cleaner, the pool man, repair men, hair stylists, the GNR ...  I'm hoping that when we move to Portelas, which is a bit more rural, there will be a few folk who can't speak English, so I will pick up a bit of Portuguese.

By the way, is there a source for 'Smithman had his head turned down' or 'Smithman did not speak when spoken to'?  I'm not seeing either in the statements, so I presume these points arose in the media.
What's up, old man?

Offline mercury

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2016, 01:25:52 AM »
I haven't researched this topic thoroughly, but we have been told by Portuguese people this should apply to anyone under about 60.

I am not fluent in Portuguese, because everyone here speaks English. Shops, the bank, car hire/repair, the gardener, the cleaner, the pool man, repair men, hair stylists, the GNR ...  I'm hoping that when we move to Portelas, which is a bit more rural, there will be a few folk who can't speak English, so I will pick up a bit of Portuguese.

By the way, is there a source for 'Smithman had his head turned down' or 'Smithman did not speak when spoken to'?  I'm not seeing either in the statements, so I presume these points arose in the media.

Yes

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

About  half way down are a couple media stories

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2016, 02:12:20 AM »
Yes

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

About  half way down are a couple media stories
Thank you.  I have seen this before but it is always good to refresh one's memory.

As to K & G, this looks to me like a 100% normal way of getting off an aircraft with a small child.  Perhaps Mr Smith thought Smithman should have lobbed the child over one shoulder - fireman style?

But have a look at what Kate is wearing - lower half.  Shouldn't those be evidence?
What's up, old man?

Offline pegasus

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2016, 02:14:57 AM »
(snip) ... everyone here speaks English .... (snip) ... the GNR ...  (snip)

"He remembers having seen the McCann couple once, near to the door of the apartment. He did not have any dialogue with them as he does not speak English."
Source: Statement of GNR officer Morais, Processos V, p1333-1334



Offline pegasus

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2016, 02:20:47 AM »
(snip) ... everyone here speaks English .... (snip) ... the GNR ...  (snip)

"He did not speak to her as he does not speak English well."
Source: Statement of GNR officer Duarte, Processos vol XII1,  p3988-3990



Offline pegasus

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2016, 02:27:35 AM »
(snip) ... everyone here speaks English .... (snip)
"at the 24 hour reception where some men tried to speak to some Portuguese employees in the attempt to make a phone call, but communication became complicated because the employee did not speak English"
Source: Statement of witness Carpenter, Cartas Rogatorias vol 3 p31-56.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2016, 02:48:42 AM »
"at the 24 hour reception where some men tried to speak to some Portuguese employees in the attempt to make a phone call, but communication became complicated because the employee did not speak English"
Source: Statement of witness Carpenter, Cartas Rogatorias vol 3 p31-56.
Don't have a problem with the first 2 - GNR - even though on each occasion we have had dealings with the GNR and the bombeiros they all spoke fluent English.

I remember the lady GNR officer well from June 2014 telling me, as OG was digging up the mound, that I was not permitted to cross the yellow and black GNR tape line demarcating the digging zone.  Mind you, the tape had written on it, in both Portuguese and English, that I was not allowed to enter the area.

I have met Portuguese and other employees who don't speak English.  Currently, it is running about once each year I have been out here.  Mind you, it is rare that I am engaged in conversation by someone mending the road.

Kindly come out to Luz, and my challenge is simple.  Find a few people who don't speak English.  Merci.
What's up, old man?

Offline Brietta

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2016, 05:00:34 PM »
Thank you.  I have seen this before but it is always good to refresh one's memory.

As to K & G, this looks to me like a 100% normal way of getting off an aircraft with a small child.  Perhaps Mr Smith thought Smithman should have lobbed the child over one shoulder - fireman style?

But have a look at what Kate is wearing - lower half.  Shouldn't those be evidence?

After weeks and months of following the news and images of Madeleine's parents there can be little little doubt that the subliminal message from a hostile press continually leaking misinformation had its effect on the consciousness of witnesses.

They were anxious to help the investigation else they would not have volunteered the information they did in the early days of Madeleine's disappearance.
I think, whether they were aware of it or not, they had been gradually brainwashed into thinking the unthinkable.

If the original McCluskey sighting had not been investigated and eliminated from the inquiry, unlike the still unexplained Smith sighting, one cannot underestimate the effect the additional information might have had. 
The potency of Mr Smith's lone misidentification resonates still with those preferring it to the conclusion of the PJ final report that the evidence is that Madeleine's father was at the dining table in the tapas when it occurred.

**snip
I've agonised for days over whether or not to contact the police about this because it is a terrible thing to accuse somebody of. It had just not crossed my mind that the child?s parents could in some way be involved in her disappearance.

I have watched a good deal of news coverage about the McCanns over the past week or so. Another thing which has played on my mind is the coverage of Mr McCann walking off the aeroplane holding one of his young children. The way he was holding the child over his left shoulder reminded me of the man carrying the child from the white van in Portugal.

Although I could not describe the male I'd seen in Portugal because he had his back to me, it was the particular way Mr. McCann held the child that made me think. He held the child over his left shoulder with his left arm supporting the child?s weight.

(signed).......R McCluskey

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RI_Mc.htm


As for Kate's apparel ... more proof if proof were needed of the value placed on the efficacy of Eddie's alert to them.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Admin

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2016, 08:39:47 AM »
I haven't researched this topic thoroughly, but we have been told by Portuguese people this should apply to anyone under about 60.

I am not fluent in Portuguese, because everyone here speaks English. Shops, the bank, car hire/repair, the gardener, the cleaner, the pool man, repair men, hair stylists, the GNR ...  I'm hoping that when we move to Portelas, which is a bit more rural, there will be a few folk who can't speak English, so I will pick up a bit of Portuguese.

By the way, is there a source for 'Smithman had his head turned down' or 'Smithman did not speak when spoken to'?  I'm not seeing either in the statements, so I presume these points arose in the media.

Mr Martin Smith stated such in one of his statements...


Snip

In relation to the video clips of Gerard McCann and the person I saw on 3rd May 2007 when I saw the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007 something struck me that it could have been the same person.

It wasIn relation to the video clips of Gerard McCann and the person I saw on 3rd May 2007 when I saw the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007 something struck me that it could have been the same person.

It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him.

It may have been the way he was carrying the child either.

I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child.

I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane.

After seeing the BBC news at 10 PM, footage on the 9th September 2007 I contacted Leicestershire police with this information. During that time I spoke to all my family members who were with me on the night of 3rd May 2007 about this and the only one who felt the same way as me was my wife. She had seen the video clip of Gerard McCann walking down the stairs of the plane earlier that day.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P16/16_VOLUME_XVIa_Page_4136.jpg

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm
« Last Edit: August 27, 2016, 12:28:15 PM by John »

ferryman

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Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2016, 10:33:32 AM »
Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?

According to the Smith family, their encounter with Smithman was fleeting to say the least.  Mrs Smith for her part was close enough to the stranger to offer a passing greeting in the form of a question as to whether the child was sleeping.  She received no response whatsoever.  For his part, Mr Martin Smith observed that the stranger lowered his head as they passed him in what one can only surmise was an attempt to hide his face.  Son Peter Smith on the other hand stated in his statement that the individual did not try to hide his face or lower his look, doing nothing that could be perceived as strange.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm#p6p1615

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The man's reaction was indicative of the way someone who had something suspicious to hide might react.

On the other hand, plenty (with nothing suspicious to hide) might have reacted the same way.

Offline jassi

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2016, 01:26:29 PM »
The man's reaction was indicative of the way someone who had something suspicious to hide might react.

On the other hand, plenty (with nothing suspicious to hide) might have reacted the same way.

Are you discounting Smithman as a suspect?
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Was Smithman's interaction with the Smith family suspicious?
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2016, 01:29:10 PM »
Are you discounting Smithman as a suspect?
Suspected of doing what?
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