The role of The British tour operators in the MM case.

[Robittybob1]

On page 364 of Kate McCann’s book “Madeleine” she says “The British tour operators had been keen for this information to remain confidential (and you don’t have to be a genius to work out why that might be)”.
Now what I want to show is that one of the “British tour operators” was interfering with the facts behind the Madeleine McCann case too.   Was this the reason the case was never solved?


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[John]

On page 364 of Kate McCann’s book “Madeleine” she says “The British tour operators had been keen for this information to remain confidential (and you don’t have to be a genius to work out why that might be)”.
Now what I want to show is that one of the “British tour operators” was interfering with the facts behind the Madeleine McCann case too.   Was this the reason the case was never solved?

In what way were they interfering ?

[mercury]

Lol
What a sad cow kate mccann comes across at times, she left her three vulnerable  babies on their own in an unsecure flat available to enter by anyone and has the narcisistic gall to slag off the tour operators for her and her stupid husbands disgraceful mistake, read enough tonight!!! No ms kate it wasnt the tour operators fault it was all your faults

[Robittybob1]

On page 364 of Kate McCann’s book “Madeleine” she says “The British tour operators had been keen for this information to remain confidential (and you don’t have to be a genius to work out why that might be)”.
Now what I want to show is that one of the “British tour operators” was interfering with the facts behind the Madeleine McCann case too.   Was this the reason the case was never solved?

Well let's see if we can solve this bit "(and you don’t have to be a genius to work out why that might be)" first. 

Does anyone have a clue what she is talking about?

[Robittybob1]

Lol
What a sad cow kate mccann comes across at times, she left her three vulnerable  babies on their own in an unsecure flat available to enter by anyone and has the narcisistic gall to slag off the tour operators for her and her stupid husbands disgraceful mistake, read enough tonight!!! No ms kate it wasnt the tour operators fault it was all your faults

The McCanns have admitted that they were stupid to think the kids were perfectly safe in that situation but what we are talking about is prior information.  Had the tour operators sufficiently informed their customers of the dangers based on prior incidences and were they really involved with deliberately suppressing prior events?

[Robittybob1]

I see some aspects of this has been discussed on the forum some years back http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1800.msg56017#msg56017
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1800.msg56067#msg56067
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1800.msg56082#msg56082
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1800.msg56351#msg56351
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1800.msg56389#msg56389

[Robittybob1]

On another thread the same passage is discussed with a different focus.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2923.msg106057#msg106057

[Robittybob1]

A thread that could be a wealth of information http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6160.msg228871#msg228871 "Why did the Ocean Club not call the police sooner?"

[stephen25000]

The McCanns have admitted that they were stupid to think the kids were perfectly safe in that situation but what we are talking about is prior information.  Had the tour operators sufficiently informed their customers of the dangers based on prior incidences and were they really involved with deliberately suppressing prior events?

Have you never heard of common sense ?

Have you never heard of taking responsibility for your actions ?

No one else can be blamed for what the Mccanns did in leaving their children alone and unprotected, repeatedly, in a foreign  country.

Are you part of the 'not me gov' culture, where you prefer to blame others for your own mistakes as the Mccanns have done ?

[G-Unit]

The McCanns have admitted that they were stupid to think the kids were perfectly safe in that situation but what we are talking about is prior information.  Had the tour operators sufficiently informed their customers of the dangers based on prior incidences and were they really involved with deliberately suppressing prior events?

You mean the events allegedly communicated to the McCanns by the British Consul on 4th May? What advice did the FO have for visitors to Portugal in 2007? Today they say;

Make sure your holiday accommodation has adequate security. Lock all doors and windows at night and when you go out. If you’re worried about security at your accommodation, speak to your tour operator or the owner. Familiarise yourself with the contact details of the local PSP (city police) or GNR (rural and small town police).
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/portugal/safety-and-security

Seems like common sense to most people, but I suppose they have to assume that the odd idiot will be travelling.

[Robittybob1]

You mean the events allegedly communicated to the McCanns by the British Consul on 4th May? What advice did the FO have for visitors to Portugal in 2007? Today they say;

Make sure your holiday accommodation has adequate security. Lock all doors and windows at night and when you go out. If you’re worried about security at your accommodation, speak to your tour operator or the owner. Familiarise yourself with the contact details of the local PSP (city police) or GNR (rural and small town police).
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/portugal/safety-and-security

Seems like common sense to most people, but I suppose they have to assume that the odd idiot will be travelling.

At this stage I am making no claims about dates that this information was given to Kate that she writes about in her book.  I will check the text later but from memory it is not clear, (but a cursory look it appears that the information was given about 1 year later).

[Robittybob1]

Have you never heard of common sense ?

Have you never heard of taking responsibility for your actions ?

No one else can be blamed for what the Mccanns did in leaving their children alone and unprotected, repeatedly, in a foreign  country.

Are you part of the 'not me gov' culture, where you prefer to blame others for your own mistakes as the Mccanns have done ?

What we are specifically examining is whether the British tour operators deliberately suppressed incidences of child molestations and accidents prior to the McCann incident.  We are not considering the sensibility of leaving the apartment unlocked.  We are looking at facts of events that happened prior and whether they were divulged.
Were they reported to the police?  Did the police inform the British authorities? Did the British authorities inform travelers to that country?  So there is quite a few players but Kate seems to be blaming the tour operators, so that must mean the Police were not informed or the incidents were downplayed in someway. 
It is quite a tricky topic but it is one that should be able to be proven one way or the other.

[stephen25000]

What we are specifically examining is whether the British tour operators deliberately suppressed incidences of child molestations and accidents prior to the McCann incident.  We are not considering the sensibility of leaving the apartment unlocked.  We are looking at facts of events that happened prior and whether they were divulged.
Were they reported to the police?  Did the police inform the British authorities? Did the British authorities inform travelers to that country?  So there is quite a few players but Kate seems to be blaming the tour operators, so that must mean the Police were not informed or the incidents were downplayed in someway. 
It is quite a tricky topic but it is one that should be able to be proven one way or the other.

Can you name me any places in the world, free from crime ?

The title of this thread suggests to me, it is easier to blame someone else.

[Angelo222]

The McCanns have admitted that they were stupid to think the kids were perfectly safe in that situation but what we are talking about is prior information.  Had the tour operators sufficiently informed their customers of the dangers based on prior incidences and were they really involved with deliberately suppressing prior events?

Certainly they suppressed details of previous incursions and burglaries, any business owner would do the same.

[Angelo222]

Have you never heard of common sense ?

Have you never heard of taking responsibility for your actions ?

No one else can be blamed for what the Mccanns did in leaving their children alone and unprotected, repeatedly, in a foreign  country.

Are you part of the 'not me gov' culture, where you prefer to blame others for your own mistakes as the Mccanns have done ?

That is only part of it Stephen and a bit unfair to apportion all the blame at the feet of the McCanns.  Had the parents been forewarned that the complex had a history of break-ins then I have no doubt whatsoever that they would never have left the children alone or left their apartment unlocked.  It was simply a matter of commercial interest taking precedence over the safety and security of their clients.