Where has the £266,000 gone?

[stephen25000]

Goncalo Amaral said so ~ or insinuated, if you prefer ...

The Truth of the Lie
Chapter 18

**snip
During a more relaxed moment at one of these meetings, I come out with an ill-judged comment. Inopportune or undiplomatic, but this is my reasoning: thinking about the kinds of crime that may have been committed if the McCanns were involved in their daughter's disappearance, something occurs to me. If they were involved in one way or another, then a crime of fraud or abuse of trust is a possibility concerning the fund that was set up to finance the search for Madeleine. Donations have reached nearly 3 million Euros.

If such a crime exists, Portugal would not have jurisdiction to investigate and try it. The fund being legally registered in England, it would be our English colleagues who would deal with the case. Our English colleagues then realise a hard reality: the strong possibility that they would have a crime to investigate in their own country, with the McCann couple as the main suspects: a prospect that does not seem to appeal to them. I notice a sudden pallor in the faces of those British people present.
http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/chapter-18.html

 ... and despite his concerns 'the company' has been and is run well within all lawful parameters ~ unless you know to the contrary.

How do we know the company has been 'well.run' Brietta ?

That is merely opinion.

[G-Unit]

Goncalo Amaral said so ~ or insinuated, if you prefer ...

The Truth of the Lie
Chapter 18

**snip
During a more relaxed moment at one of these meetings, I come out with an ill-judged comment. Inopportune or undiplomatic, but this is my reasoning: thinking about the kinds of crime that may have been committed if the McCanns were involved in their daughter's disappearance, something occurs to me. If they were involved in one way or another, then a crime of fraud or abuse of trust is a possibility concerning the fund that was set up to finance the search for Madeleine. Donations have reached nearly 3 million Euros.

If such a crime exists, Portugal would not have jurisdiction to investigate and try it. The fund being legally registered in England, it would be our English colleagues who would deal with the case. Our English colleagues then realise a hard reality: the strong possibility that they would have a crime to investigate in their own country, with the McCann couple as the main suspects: a prospect that does not seem to appeal to them. I notice a sudden pallor in the faces of those British people present.
http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/chapter-18.html

 ... and despite his concerns 'the company' has been and is run well within all lawful parameters ~ unless you know to the contrary.

He isn't saying or insinuating that the Fund is fraudulent full stop. He's saying that IF the parents have committed a crime concerning their daughter's disappearance THEN it would be fraudulent. The same applies if someone else committed the crime and they knew about it.

It would be irrelevant how it was run, IF the reason for setting it up was false, and IF those setting it up knew that, they would have committed fraud.

[mercury]

He isn't saying or insinuating that the Fund is fraudulent full stop. He's saying that IF the parents have committed a crime concerning their daughter's disappearance THEN it would be fraudulent. The same applies if someone else committed the crime and they knew about it.

It would be irrelevant how it was run, IF the reason for setting it up was false, and IF those setting it up knew that, they would have committed fraud.

Indeed, pretty plain to see really

[Brietta]

How do we know the company has been 'well.run' Brietta ?

That is merely opinion.

Read it again, Stephen.

While I have absolutely no doubt that Madeleine's Fund has been "well run" ... what I actually said was "run well within all lawful parameters".

[faithlilly]

Well according to G-Unit, who's a bit of an expert  "donation/web sales are very small over the years ending 2013, 2014 and 2015".  That leaves just 2012 we're not sure about, but is there any reason why, when they were not actively asking for donations, that these should have been substantial?  Face it Faithliily the vast proportion of public donations were made prior to 2011, and any made after that date were almost certainly from "die-hard" supporters like me 

Not actively asking for donation? There's still a donate button on the website. How can that be considered  not to be 'actively' seeking donations?

My point still stands. The McCanns have publicly stated, and clarified over the years, the aims of the fund and what donations had actually been used for. At no time did they include libel litigation against Amaral in those statements. It really isn't hard to speculate why.

[Alfie]

Not actively asking for donation? There's still a donate button on the website. How can that be considered  not to be 'actively' seeking donations?

My point still stands. The McCanns have publicly stated, and clarified over the years, the aims of the fund and what donations had actually been used for. At no time did they include libel litigation against Amaral in those statements. It really isn't hard to speculate why.

No, the McCanns have not actively asked for donations.  They have not made recent public appeals for money.  When was the last time they linked to their donate button on FB for example? 

You can speculate all you like, the fact is you have failed to provide one iota of evidence that there are thousands, hundreds or even dozens of disgruntled and unhappy genuine donors to the Madeleine Fund who resent their donations being spent on litigation.

[Robittybob1]

It is exactly as it goes

I had just downloaded the book today and noted that statement.  She hasn't been found so any fund set up to find her has NOT been done fraudulently.  I could imagine there were other reasons some people in the room went pale.

FRAUD OR ABUSE OF TRUST?

During a more relaxed moment at one of these meetings, I come out with an ill-judged comment. Inopportune or undiplomatic, but this is my reasoning: thinking about the kinds of crime that may have been committed if the McCanns were involved in their daughter's disappearance, something occurs to me. If they were involved in one way or another, then a crime of fraud or abuse of trust is a possibility concerning the fund that was set up to finance the search for Madeleine. Donations have reached nearly 3 million Euros.

If such a crime exists, Portugal would not have jurisdiction to investigate and try it. The fund being legally registered in England, it would be our English colleagues who would deal with the case. Our English colleagues then realise a hard reality: the strong possibility that they would have a crime to investigate in their own country, with the McCann couple as the main suspects: a prospect that does not seem to appeal to them. I notice a sudden pallor in the faces of those British people present.

[faithlilly]

No, the McCanns have not actively asked for donations.  They have not made recent public appeals for money.  When was the last time they linked to their donate button on FB for example? 

You can speculate all you like, the fact is you have failed to provide one iota of evidence that there are thousands, hundreds or even dozens of disgruntled and unhappy genuine donors to the Madeleine Fund who resent their donations being spent on litigation.

By providing a donate button on their website the McCanns are actively asking the public for donations. What else would it be there for ?

As to disgruntled donors, how can you feel aggrieved if you don't know you've been deceived ?

[mercury]

Mccanns had over a  Million pounds earlydays but they were SELLING goods
Why?

[mercury]

At least the consensus here is that the fund is not transparent, glad that one was sorted, thanks to alfie lol for saying the fund team were intimidated by a few online posters and uk papers and decided to clam up

So the blame is elsewhere yet again

Have the mccanns ever taken any responsblity in this utter fiasco

or is it always everyone elses fault worldwide

I dont thnk they have

At all

Theres a hilarious mile long list of whose fault it was or could have been

[misty]

At least the consensus here is that the fund is not transparent, glad that one was sorted, thanks to alfie lol for saying the fund team were intimidated by a few online posters and uk papers and decided to clam up

So the blame is elsewhere yet again

Too many of you are concerned about money you didn't donate but are oblivious to the usage of money donated to that other fund.

[mercury]

Too many of you are concerned about money you didn't donate but are oblivious to the usage of money donated to that other fund.

Not bothered about 50k donated for a single clear purpose
Obviously you are for some reason

Andwhats withthe "too many of you"?

Were not clones you know just like the too many of you arent either

[Alfie]

By providing a donate button on their website the McCanns are actively asking the public for donations. What else would it be there for ?

As to disgruntled donors, how can you feel aggrieved if you don't know you've been deceived ?

How do You know they've been allegedly deceived then?

As for the donate button on their website, yes it's still there and was set up many years ago.  If anyone wants to donate to the Fund that's the means of doing so but it is not making a public appeal for donations, you know damn well what I mean.  In the same way that there is a donate button on the Children In Need website, but there is a public appeal only once a year.  https://www.bbcchildreninneed.co.uk/fundraisinghub

[G-Unit]

I had just downloaded the book today and noted that statement.  She hasn't been found so any fund set up to find her has NOT been done fraudulently.  I could imagine there were other reasons some people in the room went pale.

I find it hard to believe that people have never encountered conditional statements.  If A is true then B is also true. If A is false then it follows that B is also false. It's a commonly used logical argument.

So the fund is fraudulent ONLY IF the McCanns were criminally involved in the disappearance of their daughter. Otherwise it's not. That's the logical argument Amaral used;

"If they were involved in one way or another, then a crime of fraud or abuse of trust is a possibility concerning the fund that was set up to finance the search for Madeleine."

Amaral, in this passage from his book, therefore, DID NOT say the parents were guilty. He DID NOT say the Fund was fraudulent.

Your statement, on the other hand is illogical. The fact that Madeleine has not been found has no relevance to the status of the Fund, because the reason she is missing could lie with her parents.

[Alfie]

I find it hard to believe that people have never encountered conditional statements.  If A is true then B is also true. If A is false then it follows that B is also false. It's a commonly used logical argument.

So the fund is fraudulent ONLY IF the McCanns were criminally involved in the disappearance of their daughter. Otherwise it's not. That's the logical argument Amaral used;

"If they were involved in one way or another, then a crime of fraud or abuse of trust is a possibility concerning the fund that was set up to finance the search for Madeleine."

Amaral, in this passage from his book, therefore, DID NOT say the parents were guilty. He DID NOT say the Fund was fraudulent.

Your statement, on the other hand is illogical. The fact that Madeleine has not been found has no relevance to the status of the Fund, because the reason she is missing could lie with her parents.

Simple question: does Amaral's book conclude that the parents hid Madeleine's body - yes or no?