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Offline scipio_usmc

Public service announcement
« on: September 05, 2016, 12:01:48 AM »
David is being dishonest in suggesting on blue that his theories changed my mind or was not responded to.  Here is a message I sent to David in PM:


"What Jeremy suggested to his lawyers we do no know. We do know the defense contended at trial that the rifle barrel made the marks.  The defense contended someone had jammed the rifle into Nevill's back very hard and that it wasn't burns. How do you know that Jeremy didn't suggest this to his lawyer?   

Jeremy would be scared that if he suggested something on his own like that to police that people would suspect he knew because he was the killer.  All claims Jeremy has advanced have publicly been alleged first by others from the nonsense claim that Bonnett's log was a log of a call from Nevill to the claim that the burn marks were from the rifle but we have no way of knowing whether Jeremy suggested any of these things and got the ball rolling. 

While you are convinced that the rifle made the burns I am not.  The test marks made by the rifle show no burning in the center where the hole is but the marks on Nevill's back do not look like such.  Moreover, the notion Jeremy took the time to heat the rifle to burn his back is almost as hard to believe as Sheila doing so.  Vanezis thought they were burns.  Perhaps they were but perhaps they were bruises inflicted post-mortem and this post-mortem infliction is what threw Vanezis for a loop. The defense suggested what if Sheila was prodding Nevill with the rifle and by jabbing it hard to prod him the marks were made.  Maybe Jeremy suggested such to his lawyers and maybe Jeremy made the marks hoping someone would believe that.

Jeremy changed his story plenty of times from changing his claim that Sheila was trained to use all weapons in the house to changing his account of the gun not fitting in the closet with the attachments in place to not fitting in its nonexistent case and changing when he last used it prior to the murders. He even tried suggesting Nevill said she has the gun not Sheila.  DeFeo's changed his story until worn down and then confessed. Then at trial he feigned insanity. A decade after his conviction is when he came out with a far different account to try to disclaim liability and reject his confession.  Jeremy didn't confess to the authorities he had no need to make up a new account to avoid a confession and was limited by his own claims of receiving a distress call. He couldn't very well claim the real killer alerted him and that he lied saying Nevill phoned.

I couldn't care less about people bothering me trying to get me to do something I only do things on my terms not the terms of others.

You are free to share with me what you have come up with but I rather think that I already guessed what methods you employed.

Aside from no way to prove it is a palm print let alone her palm print you ignore that the wrist dips in while the palm sticks out.  Your notion that the wrist would have to touch the Bible is quite wrong. Placing my palm against a desk results in the palm and my upper forearm touching but there is a gap in between both where there is no touching at all. It is also possible for Jeremy to hold her hand and just press the Bible against it.

Sheila's bloody prints were not found on the outside of the Bible nor were even non-bloody prints found.  Vanezis testified that the inside of her hands were free of blood while the outside had blood.  This testimony is the record so far as the appeal is concerned. Photos that exist corroborate such.  So on top of all other problems there is the problem of the lack of blood inside her hand and the fact the Bible was sitting in a pool of blood.

There is no way this would be viewed as anything other than speculation which even if true doesn't undermine the evidence that convicted Jeremy. You want it to be more because of your own agenda. It is just as specious and the drug claims they keep making."

David did not follow up with providing anymore details of his theory since he saw it would be futile.


There is not much new to discuss with respect to Bamber so instead I have been heavily debating the Steven Avery case.  There are a group of crazy women who support him who act just like Jeremy's campaign team though no bake offs YET!  There are a bunch of people who post on the net who come up with one crazy speculation after the next including claiming police killed the victim to frame Avery. His lawyer is out to get all the attention she can garner tweeting her arse off egging the nuts on trying to drum up viewers for season 2 of the docudrama which will include her and to that end even filed a brief recently that contained nothing but deception.   In other words there are serious fireworks and you know I can't stay out of a fray especially when outnumbered-  the pro-Avery group well outnumbers the sane people. 


I got banned from posting on the pro-Avery site like I did from blue - big shock!  Hope you all had a good Summer.



Should there be some developments in the Bamber case of course I will respond to them.   


End of message- carry on all... 
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

david1819

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Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2016, 10:12:11 AM »
Thanks for clarifying Scip.

You had not logged in for over two month, during this period I tired e-mailing you on
j******n*@g******f**t****.com I got no reply from you.

I started to wonder if you had started doubting your positions.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2016, 02:18:51 PM »
David is being dishonest in suggesting on blue that his theories changed my mind or was not responded to.  Here is a message I sent to David in PM:


"What Jeremy suggested to his lawyers we do no know. We do know the defense contended at trial that the rifle barrel made the marks.  The defense contended someone had jammed the rifle into Nevill's back very hard and that it wasn't burns. How do you know that Jeremy didn't suggest this to his lawyer?   

Jeremy would be scared that if he suggested something on his own like that to police that people would suspect he knew because he was the killer.  All claims Jeremy has advanced have publicly been alleged first by others from the nonsense claim that Bonnett's log was a log of a call from Nevill to the claim that the burn marks were from the rifle but we have no way of knowing whether Jeremy suggested any of these things and got the ball rolling. 

While you are convinced that the rifle made the burns I am not.  The test marks made by the rifle show no burning in the center where the hole is but the marks on Nevill's back do not look like such.  Moreover, the notion Jeremy took the time to heat the rifle to burn his back is almost as hard to believe as Sheila doing so.  Vanezis thought they were burns.  Perhaps they were but perhaps they were bruises inflicted post-mortem and this post-mortem infliction is what threw Vanezis for a loop. The defense suggested what if Sheila was prodding Nevill with the rifle and by jabbing it hard to prod him the marks were made.  Maybe Jeremy suggested such to his lawyers and maybe Jeremy made the marks hoping someone would believe that.

Jeremy changed his story plenty of times from changing his claim that Sheila was trained to use all weapons in the house to changing his account of the gun not fitting in the closet with the attachments in place to not fitting in its nonexistent case and changing when he last used it prior to the murders. He even tried suggesting Nevill said she has the gun not Sheila.  DeFeo's changed his story until worn down and then confessed. Then at trial he feigned insanity. A decade after his conviction is when he came out with a far different account to try to disclaim liability and reject his confession.  Jeremy didn't confess to the authorities he had no need to make up a new account to avoid a confession and was limited by his own claims of receiving a distress call. He couldn't very well claim the real killer alerted him and that he lied saying Nevill phoned.

I couldn't care less about people bothering me trying to get me to do something I only do things on my terms not the terms of others.

You are free to share with me what you have come up with but I rather think that I already guessed what methods you employed.

Aside from no way to prove it is a palm print let alone her palm print you ignore that the wrist dips in while the palm sticks out.  Your notion that the wrist would have to touch the Bible is quite wrong. Placing my palm against a desk results in the palm and my upper forearm touching but there is a gap in between both where there is no touching at all. It is also possible for Jeremy to hold her hand and just press the Bible against it.

Sheila's bloody prints were not found on the outside of the Bible nor were even non-bloody prints found.  Vanezis testified that the inside of her hands were free of blood while the outside had blood.  This testimony is the record so far as the appeal is concerned. Photos that exist corroborate such.  So on top of all other problems there is the problem of the lack of blood inside her hand and the fact the Bible was sitting in a pool of blood.

There is no way this would be viewed as anything other than speculation which even if true doesn't undermine the evidence that convicted Jeremy. You want it to be more because of your own agenda. It is just as specious and the drug claims they keep making."

David did not follow up with providing anymore details of his theory since he saw it would be futile.


There is not much new to discuss with respect to Bamber so instead I have been heavily debating the Steven Avery case.  There are a group of crazy women who support him who act just like Jeremy's campaign team though no bake offs YET!  There are a bunch of people who post on the net who come up with one crazy speculation after the next including claiming police killed the victim to frame Avery. His lawyer is out to get all the attention she can garner tweeting her arse off egging the nuts on trying to drum up viewers for season 2 of the docudrama which will include her and to that end even filed a brief recently that contained nothing but deception.   In other words there are serious fireworks and you know I can't stay out of a fray especially when outnumbered-  the pro-Avery group well outnumbers the sane people. 


I got banned from posting on the pro-Avery site like I did from blue - big shock!  Hope you all had a good Summer.



Should there be some developments in the Bamber case of course I will respond to them.   


End of message- carry on all...

Hi Scipio. 

52. The Bible found by Sheila Caffell's body, belonged to her mother and was normally kept in a cupboard to the right of her bed. It was examined for fingerprints. Many belonged to June Bamber and there were a small number of insufficient detail for comparison, save for one which appeared to have been made by a small child.

For those that believe the bible/blood staining has some significance (Caroline and David) are you able to identify the exhibit number given to the bible by the police and the outcome of forensic testing by way of blood test results?

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2016, 03:03:33 PM »
Hi Scipio. 

52. The Bible found by Sheila Caffell's body, belonged to her mother and was normally kept in a cupboard to the right of her bed. It was examined for fingerprints. Many belonged to June Bamber and there were a small number of insufficient detail for comparison, save for one which appeared to have been made by a small child.

For those that believe the bible/blood staining has some significance (Caroline and David) are you able to identify the exhibit number given to the bible by the police and the outcome of forensic testing by way of blood test results?


The blood on the Bible was not tested. The Bible was only examined for prints. Those who examined it for prints did not think that the blood stain looked like a palm print or any fingerprints were discernible in the blood.  Obviously they would see it much more clearly than us while looking at it in person. Enlarged photos are not anywhere near as good at showing the actual detail. They obtained several prints from the Bible in areas not containing blood but they were June's and one they believed to be a child's print based on the diminutive size. The diminutive print was never matched to anyone.  There were also some smudged prints not suitable for comparison purposes.


They did not test the blood because they figured it was Sheila's blood. The Bible was resting in a pool of her blood and they presumed that was how the blood got there.  Proving it was indeed her blood would add nothing to the case so it was not tested. 

Let's take a flight of fancy. Let's pretend the blood was proven to be June's  and people said this proves she was reading it before she died.  Would this help prove who the killer was?  No, because all it would mean is that someone moved it at some point.  Sheila could have done so or Jeremy could have done so. In no way does this help establish who the killer was.  Admittedly it makes little sense for Sheila to pick up the Bible and leave it open to the same exact page June bled on but it still is not particularly significant.


Where it would have been useful would be if they were smart enough to realize was was recognized on appeal. That it was placed in a pool of blood that formed after Sheila's death. Proving it was Sheila's blood to use to establish it was placed in a pool of blood that formed after her death would prove someone else was at the scene.  But those handling the case were not smart enough to pick up on such. So in the end testing the blood could actually have been used to help further the case but no one recognized it at the time.  But even without testing we know it was in a pool of her blood and that the blood had to get there before the Bible so Sheila was dead before the Bible got there. That means the killer had to have placed it there. So even without the blood testing this still is an argument against Jeremy only police missed the chance to use it. It was rejected on appeal because they failed to make it at trial.  Failing to appreciate something they could and should have noticed but missed until after the trial is not a valid excuse to get it considered on appeal. It has to be something they reasonably could not have known about.  We are not constrained by such rules we can consider such.


People can speculate all their hearts desire about palm prints but speculation has no ability to prove anything so I prefer to not bother. I don't find it very plausible that either of the women were reading the Bible, got blood on it, reopened it to the same exact page creating a mirror image and then got a great deal more blood on it by a palm print or something else. There should have been blood on the outside if their hands were covered in blood and Sheila's hands didn't have blood inside. Much more likely is that Jeremy opened it getting some blood on it by it dripping from his gloves or the like, closed it at some point by accident and then stuck it in the pool of blood.  I think it is more likely he got the Bible out and intended all along to use it to try to convey a religious motivation as opposed to getting the idea when he saw the Bible near June. But we will never know his full thought process unless Jeremy decides to talk. I have a better chance of winning the lottery despite the fact I virtually never play...


 
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2016, 03:09:14 PM »
It's time to enjoy the last of Summer, today is a holiday here.  All have fun. 
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2016, 03:30:13 PM »

The blood on the Bible was not tested. The Bible was only examined for prints. Those who examined it for prints did not think that the blood stain looked like a palm print or any fingerprints were discernible in the blood.  Obviously they would see it much more clearly than us while looking at it in person. Enlarged photos are not anywhere near as good at showing the actual detail. They obtained several prints from the Bible in areas not containing blood but they were June's and one they believed to be a child's print based on the diminutive size. The diminutive print was never matched to anyone.  There were also some smudged prints not suitable for comparison purposes.


They did not test the blood because they figured it was Sheila's blood. The Bible was resting in a pool of her blood and they presumed that was how the blood got there.  Proving it was indeed her blood would add nothing to the case so it was not tested. 

Let's take a flight of fancy. Let's pretend the blood was proven to be June's  and people said this proves she was reading it before she died.  Would this help prove who the killer was?  No, because all it would mean is that someone moved it at some point.  Sheila could have done so or Jeremy could have done so. In no way does this help establish who the killer was.  Admittedly it makes little sense for Sheila to pick up the Bible and leave it open to the same exact page June bled on but it still is not particularly significant.


Where it would have been useful would be if they were smart enough to realize was was recognized on appeal. That it was placed in a pool of blood that formed after Sheila's death. Proving it was Sheila's blood to use to establish it was placed in a pool of blood that formed after her death would prove someone else was at the scene.  But those handling the case were not smart enough to pick up on such. So in the end testing the blood could actually have been used to help further the case but no one recognized it at the time.  But even without testing we know it was in a pool of her blood and that the blood had to get there before the Bible so Sheila was dead before the Bible got there. That means the killer had to have placed it there. So even without the blood testing this still is an argument against Jeremy only police missed the chance to use it. It was rejected on appeal because they failed to make it at trial.  Failing to appreciate something they could and should have noticed but missed until after the trial is not a valid excuse to get it considered on appeal. It has to be something they reasonably could not have known about.  We are not constrained by such rules we can consider such.


People can speculate all their hearts desire about palm prints but speculation has no ability to prove anything so I prefer to not bother. I don't find it very plausible that either of the women were reading the Bible, got blood on it, reopened it to the same exact page creating a mirror image and then got a great deal more blood on it by a palm print or something else. There should have been blood on the outside if their hands were covered in blood and Sheila's hands didn't have blood inside. Much more likely is that Jeremy opened it getting some blood on it by it dripping from his gloves or the like, closed it at some point by accident and then stuck it in the pool of blood.  I think it is more likely he got the Bible out and intended all along to use it to try to convey a religious motivation as opposed to getting the idea when he saw the Bible near June. But we will never know his full thought process unless Jeremy decides to talk. I have a better chance of winning the lottery despite the fact I virtually never play...

Other exhibits found in that area of the bedroom ie carpet and socks were blood tested and found to belong to June by way of her ABO grouping and 1 enzyme.  Do Caroline and David have any ideas about the bible by way of an exhibit number or blood since they seem to keen to advance various theories about it?  I think the bible must have had an exhibit number since it was exhibited at trial although I've been unable to find one (same for the socks).

DC Hammersely's trial testimony covers all exhibits he logged and removed from the bedroom including bedding, casings and rifle.  Does anyone have any explanation as to why this doesn't include the bible and socks?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline rotti

Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2016, 08:34:35 PM »
holly its only david and not caroline who thinks the bible is of significance

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2016, 10:37:32 PM »
holly its only david and not caroline who thinks the bible is of significance

Oh right.  I guess I was assuming they both do on the basis that Caroline's research about the bible was included in PH's book and Caroline now seems to believe David has taken her ideas to apparently use as his own.

The only thing I find significant about the bible is that it doesn't appear the blood on it was tested.  Or if it was the results don't appear to be generally known about. 

Here's the link to Dr Lincoln's (blood expert for the defence) letter to Paul Terezon (JB's trial solicitor) where he went through all the significant items blood tested by visiting the lab and carrying out his own investigations but no mention of the bible.  And why the hell are these numpties (Rivlin and Terzeon) leaving all this so close to the trial starting?.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=929

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=931

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=933

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=935

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=937

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=939

Statement from Paul Terzeon dated Sep 2002

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=569.0;attach=1859
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2016, 10:39:12 PM »
holly its only david and not caroline who thinks the bible is of significance

Oh I do think it might be significant but not in the same way.

Offline Caroline

Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2016, 10:41:19 PM »
Oh right.  I guess I was assuming they both do on the basis that Caroline's research about the bible was included in PH's book and Caroline now seems to believe David has taken her ideas to apparently use as his own.

The only thing I find significant about the bible is that it doesn't appear the blood on it was tested.  Or if it was the results don't appear to be generally known about. 

Here's the link to Dr Lincoln's (blood expert for the defence) letter to Paul Terezon (JB's trial solicitor) where he went through all the significant items blood tested by visiting the lab and carrying out his own investigations but no mention of the bible.  And why the hell are these numpties (Rivlin and Terzeon) leaving all this so close to the trial starting?.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=929

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=931

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=933

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=935

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=937

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=276.0;attach=939

Statement from Paul Terzeon dated Sep 2002

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=569.0;attach=1859

Perhaps it wasn't tested because they assumed the blood came from the carpet stain and perhaps that was. They most likely assumed the blood would be the same?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2016, 10:41:51 PM »
Oh I do think it might be significant but not in the same way.

Caroline do you know whose blood was on the bible by way of forensic testing results?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2016, 11:50:58 PM »
Perhaps it wasn't tested because they assumed the blood came from the carpet stain and perhaps that was. They most likely assumed the blood would be the same?

But the bible has blood staining to it on areas where I struggle to see how it could have originated from the carpet alone?

Obviously a good investigation wouldn't rely on assumptions.  And a half decent defence team would pursue the forensic examination of blood tests instead of the interpretations of Abrahamic myths!
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2016, 11:57:17 PM »
Caroline do you know whose blood was on the bible by way of forensic testing results?

Sorry, no but I suspect it's Sheila's but I have no firm evidence for think that - it's just what I believe at the moment.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2016, 12:40:13 AM »
Sorry, no but I suspect it's Sheila's but I have no firm evidence for think that - it's just what I believe at the moment.

I'm inclined to think it might belong to June but no firm evidence for this either.  It just strikes me as strange that it was a central exhibit at trial and appeal and yet it doesn't appear the defence were aware of whose blood was on it. 
 &%+((£
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Public service announcement
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2016, 01:18:43 AM »
David is being dishonest in suggesting on blue that his theories changed my mind or was not responded to.  Here is a message I sent to David in PM:


"What Jeremy suggested to his lawyers we do no know. We do know the defense contended at trial that the rifle barrel made the marks.  The defense contended someone had jammed the rifle into Nevill's back very hard and that it wasn't burns. How do you know that Jeremy didn't suggest this to his lawyer?   

Jeremy would be scared that if he suggested something on his own like that to police that people would suspect he knew because he was the killer.  All claims Jeremy has advanced have publicly been alleged first by others from the nonsense claim that Bonnett's log was a log of a call from Nevill to the claim that the burn marks were from the rifle but we have no way of knowing whether Jeremy suggested any of these things and got the ball rolling. 

While you are convinced that the rifle made the burns I am not.  The test marks made by the rifle show no burning in the center where the hole is but the marks on Nevill's back do not look like such.  Moreover, the notion Jeremy took the time to heat the rifle to burn his back is almost as hard to believe as Sheila doing so.  Vanezis thought they were burns.  Perhaps they were but perhaps they were bruises inflicted post-mortem and this post-mortem infliction is what threw Vanezis for a loop. The defense suggested what if Sheila was prodding Nevill with the rifle and by jabbing it hard to prod him the marks were made.  Maybe Jeremy suggested such to his lawyers and maybe Jeremy made the marks hoping someone would believe that.

Jeremy changed his story plenty of times from changing his claim that Sheila was trained to use all weapons in the house to changing his account of the gun not fitting in the closet with the attachments in place to not fitting in its nonexistent case and changing when he last used it prior to the murders. He even tried suggesting Nevill said she has the gun not Sheila.  DeFeo's changed his story until worn down and then confessed. Then at trial he feigned insanity. A decade after his conviction is when he came out with a far different account to try to disclaim liability and reject his confession.  Jeremy didn't confess to the authorities he had no need to make up a new account to avoid a confession and was limited by his own claims of receiving a distress call. He couldn't very well claim the real killer alerted him and that he lied saying Nevill phoned.

I couldn't care less about people bothering me trying to get me to do something I only do things on my terms not the terms of others.

You are free to share with me what you have come up with but I rather think that I already guessed what methods you employed.

Aside from no way to prove it is a palm print let alone her palm print you ignore that the wrist dips in while the palm sticks out.  Your notion that the wrist would have to touch the Bible is quite wrong. Placing my palm against a desk results in the palm and my upper forearm touching but there is a gap in between both where there is no touching at all. It is also possible for Jeremy to hold her hand and just press the Bible against it.

Sheila's bloody prints were not found on the outside of the Bible nor were even non-bloody prints found.  Vanezis testified that the inside of her hands were free of blood while the outside had blood.  This testimony is the record so far as the appeal is concerned. Photos that exist corroborate such.  So on top of all other problems there is the problem of the lack of blood inside her hand and the fact the Bible was sitting in a pool of blood.

There is no way this would be viewed as anything other than speculation which even if true doesn't undermine the evidence that convicted Jeremy. You want it to be more because of your own agenda. It is just as specious and the drug claims they keep making."

David did not follow up with providing anymore details of his theory since he saw it would be futile.


There is not much new to discuss with respect to Bamber so instead I have been heavily debating the Steven Avery case.  There are a group of crazy women who support him who act just like Jeremy's campaign team though no bake offs YET!  There are a bunch of people who post on the net who come up with one crazy speculation after the next including claiming police killed the victim to frame Avery. His lawyer is out to get all the attention she can garner tweeting her arse off egging the nuts on trying to drum up viewers for season 2 of the docudrama which will include her and to that end even filed a brief recently that contained nothing but deception.   In other words there are serious fireworks and you know I can't stay out of a fray especially when outnumbered-  the pro-Avery group well outnumbers the sane people. 


I got banned from posting on the pro-Avery site like I did from blue - big shock!  Hope you all had a good Summer.



Should there be some developments in the Bamber case of course I will respond to them.   


End of message- carry on all...

I agree with David and the 2002 appeal that the marks on Neville's back are burn marks. And also agree they are from a heated rifle.

There were enough rifles available for Bamber to do this if he didn't use the murder weapon.

Threads have been created by me on why Bamber would do this to just Neville and why Sheila would not bother at all. Sheila only had 22 minutes to do everything anyway after Neville's call to Chelmsford police, when ieverything would have taken her over an hour.
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