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Offline mercury

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #555 on: September 23, 2016, 09:49:48 PM »
You don't understand it Mercury?
Thats what i said!

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #556 on: September 23, 2016, 11:43:54 PM »
Thats what i said!
Well we'd need to go through it and pull it apart then.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #557 on: September 25, 2016, 08:14:35 AM »
At our next meeting Neves was to change tack and tell us that one of the Ocean Club managers, Silvia Batista (the lady who had translated for us on 3 May), had also reported seeing Murat outside our apartment that night.
Page #235.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #558 on: September 26, 2016, 01:44:16 AM »
scholar
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"a Hebrew scholar"
synonyms:   academic, intellectual, learned person, professor, man of letters, woman of letters, mind, intellect, savant, polymath, highbrow, bluestocking; authority, expert, pundit, mastermind; pandit; rabbi; informalegghead; informalpointy-head; archaicbookman
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So hes the only one here!

Would that there be more like of them?

Or is just one conclusion the right one?
What about "scholars" that take issue with some of the "evidence"

I would be interested in you naming one who may fit the criteria.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #559 on: September 28, 2016, 11:10:14 AM »
By writing things in a certain order in her book Kate suggests to the reader they happened in that order, but they didn't. The twins weren't in the photos of 5A, so they had gone before the PJ left, although the impression is given that they were still there.

The PJ locked the apartment and left the GNR guarding it, so no-one was left in there. Emma Knight's evidence makes no mention of cots being placed in 5H.

It is possible, however that the twins were moved twice. Once to the new apartment, perhaps with Fiona staying with them, and then to 5H later after Emma left.

This fits with Jane Tanners evidence that Kate and the twins were gone from 5A at 3am when she spoke to the PJ, with Emma's that they went to the new apartment. and with Dianne's, that they arrived in 5H quite a while after they left 5A. It also explains why Gerry and Kate carried them out of 5A, but David and Fiona carried them into 5H, according to Dianne.

Eventually, at about 3am, I managed to get hold of Michelle’s partner, Jon Corner, on his mobile. ‘No one’s
listening!’ I wept. ‘Nothing’s happening!’ The next thing I knew, the PJ officers were heading for the front door.......And with that they were gone, leaving us to our own devices....We probably could have stayed in our apartment, but who would have wanted to? Looking back, it’s inexplicable, of course, that we should ever have
been left in what was now a crime scene....Mark Warner had prepared another flat for us on the first floor of an
adjacent block, but Gerry and I were in no condition to be on our own. We couldn’t look after ourselves,
let alone the twins. So the staff put up two extra cots in Fiona and David’s apartment and we carried a sleepy Sean and Amelie into their sitting room.
[Madeleine]

A request was made to the OC services director for the family to be re-allocated and accordingly the babies were taken out of the room, so that the site could be searched.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm

At a certain time, after the arrival of the PJ elements, the parents removed the twins from the beds in which they were still sleeping and took them to the first floor flat. At the request of Kate she (the witness) to remove their puppets drink and a blanket that she took to the first floor flat. Only the mattresses remained.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

I received a call from John informing me that he had arranged for another apartment for the McCanns. I went to reception and helped Lyndsey to move the two cots to the new apartment

The McCanns went to the new apartment and I remember seeing Kate and Mrs Payne seated on the sofa, each holding one of the twins. I left the new apartment at 04.30 in the morning after instructions from John Hill. I was the last to leave, the police had already left, but I left my number saying that I was available for anything that might be needed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

I think Russell came with me and there was Sylvie who was the translator.  I can’t remember which, there was some, there was a PJ chap was sitting on the, by the table.  And there was Gerry who was standing by the, the bedroom door”.....“That was at three o’clock in the morning after she’d disappeared, yeah”
4078    “And where was Kate?”
 I don’t know at that point, she wasn’t, she wasn’t in the, she wasn’t there.  I don’t know whether, I think they had taken the twins out of the room by that stage, so I don’t know whether she was up in Dave and Fi’s room”.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

”Yeah. So after the twins had been brought up did Fiona and Dave stay in the apartment with you?”
 Reply    ”Yeah well at that point Kate and Gerry came up as well and err because the Police had decided to close off the apartment, bit late in the day but you know, they came up and what we did we got the, there was mattresses on the spare beds in the room where Lily was sleeping so we got them and put them on the floor in the lounge beside the twins so that they could rest, if not sleep, err but by this time it must have been about half past four, five o’ clock in the morning.”
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm

He then states that upon leaving the apartment was locked, leaving the space preserved for the GNR elements that were stationed next to the apartment.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #560 on: September 28, 2016, 11:19:00 AM »
By writing things in a certain order in her book Kate suggests to the reader they happened in that order, but they didn't. The twins weren't in the photos of 5A, so they had gone before the PJ left, although the impression is given that they were still there.

The PJ locked the apartment and left the GNR guarding it, so no-one was left in there. Emma Knight's evidence makes no mention of cots being placed in 5H.

It is possible, however that the twins were moved twice. Once to the new apartment, perhaps with Fiona staying with them, and then to 5H later after Emma left.

This fits with Jane Tanners evidence that Kate and the twins were gone from 5A at 3am when she spoke to the PJ, with Emma's that they went to the new apartment. and with Dianne's, that they arrived in 5H quite a while after they left 5A. It also explains why Gerry and Kate carried them out of 5A, but David and Fiona carried them into 5H, according to Dianne.

Eventually, at about 3am, I managed to get hold of Michelle’s partner, Jon Corner, on his mobile. ‘No one’s
listening!’ I wept. ‘Nothing’s happening!’ The next thing I knew, the PJ officers were heading for the front door.......And with that they were gone, leaving us to our own devices....We probably could have stayed in our apartment, but who would have wanted to? Looking back, it’s inexplicable, of course, that we should ever have
been left in what was now a crime scene....Mark Warner had prepared another flat for us on the first floor of an
adjacent block, but Gerry and I were in no condition to be on our own. We couldn’t look after ourselves,
let alone the twins. So the staff put up two extra cots in Fiona and David’s apartment and we carried a sleepy Sean and Amelie into their sitting room.
[Madeleine]

A request was made to the OC services director for the family to be re-allocated and accordingly the babies were taken out of the room, so that the site could be searched.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm

At a certain time, after the arrival of the PJ elements, the parents removed the twins from the beds in which they were still sleeping and took them to the first floor flat. At the request of Kate she (the witness) to remove their puppets drink and a blanket that she took to the first floor flat. Only the mattresses remained.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

I received a call from John informing me that he had arranged for another apartment for the McCanns. I went to reception and helped Lyndsey to move the two cots to the new apartment

The McCanns went to the new apartment and I remember seeing Kate and Mrs Payne seated on the sofa, each holding one of the twins. I left the new apartment at 04.30 in the morning after instructions from John Hill. I was the last to leave, the police had already left, but I left my number saying that I was available for anything that might be needed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

I think Russell came with me and there was Sylvie who was the translator.  I can’t remember which, there was some, there was a PJ chap was sitting on the, by the table.  And there was Gerry who was standing by the, the bedroom door”.....“That was at three o’clock in the morning after she’d disappeared, yeah”
4078    “And where was Kate?”
 I don’t know at that point, she wasn’t, she wasn’t in the, she wasn’t there.  I don’t know whether, I think they had taken the twins out of the room by that stage, so I don’t know whether she was up in Dave and Fi’s room”.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

”Yeah. So after the twins had been brought up did Fiona and Dave stay in the apartment with you?”
 Reply    ”Yeah well at that point Kate and Gerry came up as well and err because the Police had decided to close off the apartment, bit late in the day but you know, they came up and what we did we got the, there was mattresses on the spare beds in the room where Lily was sleeping so we got them and put them on the floor in the lounge beside the twins so that they could rest, if not sleep, err but by this time it must have been about half past four, five o’ clock in the morning.”
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm

He then states that upon leaving the apartment was locked, leaving the space preserved for the GNR elements that were stationed next to the apartment.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VITOR_MARTINS.htm
I don't understand the problem.  Kate doesn't say that she and the twins were in Apartment 5a when the PJ left at 3am, so...?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #561 on: September 28, 2016, 11:59:23 AM »
I don't understand the problem.  Kate doesn't say that she and the twins were in Apartment 5a when the PJ left at 3am, so...?

Firstly, the PJ didn't leave them in 5A, they locked up when they left at 3.30-4am.

Secondly the staff made no mention of cots in 5H; 4G is where the cots were placed and where Emma Knight said the twins were taken and stayed until 4.30am when she left.

Thirdly the twins were carried out of 5A by their parents, but into 5H by the Paynes according to Dianne.

We probably could have stayed in our apartment, but who would have wanted to? Looking back, it’s inexplicable, of course, that we should ever have been left in what was now a crime scene.....So the staff put up two extra cots in Fiona and David’s apartment and we carried a sleepy Sean and Amelie into their sitting room. [Madeleine]


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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #562 on: September 28, 2016, 12:49:42 PM »
Firstly, the PJ didn't leave them in 5A, they locked up when they left at 3.30-4am.

Secondly the staff made no mention of cots in 5H; 4G is where the cots were placed and where Emma Knight said the twins were taken and stayed until 4.30am when she left.

Thirdly the twins were carried out of 5A by their parents, but into 5H by the Paynes according to Dianne.

We probably could have stayed in our apartment, but who would have wanted to? Looking back, it’s inexplicable, of course, that we should ever have been left in what was now a crime scene.....So the staff put up two extra cots in Fiona and David’s apartment and we carried a sleepy Sean and Amelie into their sitting room. [Madeleine]
Firstly neither I nor Kate (as far as I can make out) said that the PJ left them alone in Apartment 5a when they left.
Secondly, are you making something out of nothing again? 

Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #563 on: September 28, 2016, 01:24:11 PM »
Firstly neither I nor Kate (as far as I can make out) said that the PJ left them alone in Apartment 5a when they left.
Secondly, are you making something out of nothing again?

I can only assume you can't read;

 Looking back, it’s inexplicable, of course, that we should ever have been left in what was now a crime scene.
[Madeleine]
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #564 on: September 28, 2016, 02:06:01 PM »
I can only assume you can't read;

 Looking back, it’s inexplicable, of course, that we should ever have been left in what was now a crime scene.
[Madeleine]
I thought you never assumed?  But on this occasion, you're right - I can't read.  I rely on my guide dog to woof out what's written on the board and sometimes he makes mistakes.  I will have words with him now.... 

Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #565 on: September 28, 2016, 03:02:18 PM »
I thought you never assumed?  But on this occasion, you're right - I can't read.  I rely on my guide dog to woof out what's written on the board and sometimes he makes mistakes.  I will have words with him now....

I do hope he wasn't influenced by handler bias. @)(++(*
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« Reply #566 on: September 28, 2016, 03:08:53 PM »
I do hope he wasn't influenced by handler bias. @)(++(*
No, he's just incredibly unreliable like most dumb animals, but he's very good at sniffing out sausages.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #567 on: September 28, 2016, 04:19:50 PM »
No, he's just incredibly unreliable like most dumb animals, but he's very good at sniffing out sausages.

I'd explain to him that Kate said they were left in a crime scene by the PJ if I were you, and that she seems to have forgotten they locked her out before they went.

You might like to explain the twin juggling on the way upstairs too. Perhaps that explains why the twins left 5A before three and arrived in 5H over an hour later.

I did the research because I was puzzled by Dianne Webster's statement saying neither the McCanns nor the Paynes went out again after arriving in 5H with the twins. That wasn't possible if they went straight to 5H from 5A because both Kate and Gerry were seen out at 4am, after the twins were moved.

If the twins were in 4G under the care of Fiona and Emma until after 4.30am it all becomes clear.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #568 on: September 28, 2016, 05:21:17 PM »
I'd explain to him that Kate said they were left in a crime scene by the PJ if I were you, and that she seems to have forgotten they locked her out before they went.

You might like to explain the twin juggling on the way upstairs too. Perhaps that explains why the twins left 5A before three and arrived in 5H over an hour later.

I did the research because I was puzzled by Dianne Webster's statement saying neither the McCanns nor the Paynes went out again after arriving in 5H with the twins. That wasn't possible if they went straight to 5H from 5A because both Kate and Gerry were seen out at 4am, after the twins were moved.

If the twins were in 4G under the care of Fiona and Emma until after 4.30am it all becomes clear.
So do you think the McCanns never slept at all in the Payne's apartment?
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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #569 on: September 28, 2016, 05:52:47 PM »
I'd explain to him that Kate said they were left in a crime scene by the PJ if I were you, and that she seems to have forgotten they locked her out before they went.

You might like to explain the twin juggling on the way upstairs too. Perhaps that explains why the twins left 5A before three and arrived in 5H over an hour later.

I did the research because I was puzzled by Dianne Webster's statement saying neither the McCanns nor the Paynes went out again after arriving in 5H with the twins. That wasn't possible if they went straight to 5H from 5A because both Kate and Gerry were seen out at 4am, after the twins were moved.

If the twins were in 4G under the care of Fiona and Emma until after 4.30am it all becomes clear.
The police statement doesn't make it clear that they (the police) locked up an empty apartment and left, nor that the McCanns no longer had access to 5a does it?  As for twin juggling, I'm sure that's illegal.    What do you think it all means....? &%+((£