Pick any sentence from Kate's book.

[stephen25000]

she looks like she is modelling/posing ffs

All a part of the act.

She is adopting what is called 'The Diana Pose'.

So predictable, and just so bad.

[carlymichelle]

All a part of the act.

She is adopting what is called 'The Diana Pose'.

So predictable, and just so bad.

looks  fake  to  me

[Benice]

Yes according to some sceptics, The McCanns had to deal not only with the accidental death of one of their children, but also with the stress of lying and covering up in front of the police and the world's media and yet were quite relaxed about it all, judging from a few pics.  Logic please...?

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It's the same sceptic 'logic' which concludes that the McCanns have acting abilities sooooo superb they have fooled all the experts..( i.e. SY  - the FLO's,  trauma experts etc).     BUT at the same time  - they are such terrible actors that you only have to watch any video recording of them - and  it is immediately obvious to those same sceptics that they are lying through their teeth.

Totally illogical IMO.

[stephen25000]

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It's the same sceptic 'logic' which concludes that the McCanns have acting abilities sooooo superb they have fooled all the experts..( i.e. SY  - the FLO's,  trauma experts etc).     BUT at the same time  - they are such terrible actors that you only have to watch any video recording of them - and  it is immediately obvious to those same sceptics that they are lying through their teeth.

Totally illogical IMO.

Fooled all the experts ?

Which experts ?

and what of the experts who say different ?

[faithlilly]

No I don't agree' and I know better than to judge a person's emotional state from a few paparazzi photographs.  Remember Davel's avatar of the girl arriving at the funeral of her whole family? She looked the picture of happiness.  Does that mean she was happy?

If I remember correctly the girl in davel's photo was quite young so the way she would comprehend what was taking place may be very different from an adult and further her family were dead, the McCanns believed their daughter was in the hands of a paedophile which should have elicited a quite different set of emotions.

[faithlilly]

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It's the same sceptic 'logic' which concludes that the McCanns have acting abilities sooooo superb they have fooled all the experts..( i.e. SY  - the FLO's,  trauma experts etc).     BUT at the same time  - they are such terrible actors that you only have to watch any video recording of them - and  it is immediately obvious to those same sceptics that they are lying through their teeth.

Totally illogical IMO.

The McCanns didn't have to act. They had lost their daughter.

[Robittybob1]

If I remember correctly the girl in davel's photo was quite young so the way she would comprehend what was taking place may be very different from an adult and further her family were dead, the McCanns believed their daughter was in the hands of a paedophile which should have elicited a quite different set of emotions.

Is that a fact?  Or just a possibility along with all the other ones.

[G-Unit]

Nothing wrong with it if he is being a "fkn tosser".

He did his job. If Kate mistook their relationship for a friendship she was wrong. FLO's are friendly, but part of their job is to pass to the investigators any information they see or hear which might help the investigation.

[faithlilly]

He did his job. If Kate mistook their relationship for a friendship she was wrong. FLO's are friendly, but part of their job is to pass to the investigators any information they see or hear which might help the investigation.

Which is exactly what happened in the Shannon Mathews case I believe.

[Benice]

Which is exactly what happened in the Shannon Mathews case I believe.

Agreed.   It was the FLO who first noticed that Matthews was not behaving in the way a distraught mother would.

So can you explain why the FLO's or the trauma counsellors - who spent time with the McCanns and who were trained to make such behavioural observations - could all get it so wrong -  as none of them noticed anything untoward or even slightly suspicious in the McCanns behaviour.    Surely if anyone would be able to do that   - it would be one or more of those experts?



 

[Alfie]

If I remember correctly the girl in davel's photo was quite young so the way she would comprehend what was taking place may be very different from an adult and further her family were dead, the McCanns believed their daughter was in the hands of a paedophile which should have elicited a quite different set of emotions.

She was old enough to understand that her entire family had been killed.  Indeed there are photos of her weeping and looking utterly bereft on the same day.  You don't half talk some nonsense sometimes Faithlilly.  Was every minute of every day of the McCanns' facial expressions and emotions chartered for your perusal?  If you added up all the split seconds it took to take all the photographs that were taken of them in that first month, how many seconds or minutes of their facial expressions in total do you think were recorded for your delectation?  If we say that, on average, each photo was taken at 100th second shutter speed?

[Benice]

If I remember correctly the girl in davel's photo was quite young so the way she would comprehend what was taking place may be very different from an adult and further her family were dead, the McCanns believed their daughter was in the hands of a paedophile which should have elicited a quite different set of emotions.

We can have no idea why the young girl was smiling,  but IMO to even suggest that it was because she was feeling happy and relaxed in those harrowing circumstances is nonsense.   

Anyone claiming that a person smiling is evidence of anything, especially guilt  - when they don't know why they are smiling is being unrealistic IMO - especially as the person smiling could have a completely opposite facial expression only seconds later.     There is an example of that in the photographs following page 264 of Kate's book.

[Alfie]

The McCanns didn't have to act. They had lost their daughter.

Yes they did have to act - they were supposed to look deeply traumatized permanently just in case a camera caught them looking anything other than completely bereft but they obviously weren't good enough actors to fool eagle-eyed ol' you, who claims not to be able to discern any genuine despair at all.

[slartibartfast]

Yes they did have to act - they were supposed to look deeply traumatized permanently just in case a camera caught them looking anything other than completely bereft but they obviously weren't good enough actors to fool eagle-eyed ol' you, who claims not to be able to discern any genuine despair at all.

You seemed to have reached the point of arguing both sides of the case. It should make wining your argument easier.
 

[G-Unit]

Agreed.   It was the FLO who first noticed that Matthews was not behaving in the way a distraught mother would.

So can you explain why the FLO's or the trauma counsellors - who spent time with the McCanns and who were trained to make such behavioural observations - could all get it so wrong -  as none of them noticed anything untoward or even slightly suspicious in the McCanns behaviour.    Surely if anyone would be able to do that   - it would be one or more of those experts?

Whatever happened to Madeleine her parents were undoubtedly traumatised. The question is are the experts able to judge what caused the trauma?

The Matthews case was different because the mother knew her child hadn't been harmed, so her 'trauma' was acted, not real.