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ferryman

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #285 on: September 18, 2016, 11:59:49 AM »
Perhaps that's because in England it is not considered the "done thing" to publicly challenge the innocence of individuals and accuse them via the media of hiding their child's body and setting up a fraudulent fund...?   Do you really think that when the McCanns appear on chat shows or Crimewatch in this country that their interviewers should start challenging their innocence and picking holes in their account of events, accusing them of smiling inappropriately, of  discrepancies in their account, etc - cross questioning them basically?  Would that be fair and justifiable in your view?  Whereas if an ex-cop appears on telly promoting a book in which he publicly accuses someone of a heinous crime why on earth WOULDN'T he be challenged by any interviewer worth their salt?   It is only his opinion and abilities as a writer / investigator that are being challenged, he's not being accused of a heinous crime against his own child!

Good post, Alfie.

It's the easiest thing in the world to accuse without basis or foundation: the hardest to stand up against those accusations when you know they are without basis or foundation.

Interminable 'debates' about whether they entered (or exited) the apartment (through 'front' door or 'back' door, when it isn't even clear, in context, which is 'front' or 'back') really clarify nothing.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #286 on: September 18, 2016, 12:10:00 PM »
LOL it's so easy for some to be sceptics.   Anything that doesn't suit - just question it's veracity.   Anything which does suit - then it's written in stone.

You can make a case against anyone about anything using those tactics.

Incidentally Amaral wasn't there either - and as he never once met or spoke to Kate - and only once briefly met Gerry -  then everything thereafter came to him second-hand -  and never from his own first hand personal experience of them.         A crucial point - but one which he studiously avoids mentioning in his book.     In fact quite the opposite impression is given to his readers both in his book and also in TV  interviews.   

From Kate's book:-

And so it was that on 11 December 2009 I first laid eyes on Sr. Goncalo Amaral.  It was also the first time he had laid eyes on me.    It is extraordinary  that could had said and written so many awful things about a person he had never met. 
unquote.


That was the perception according to Kate McCann but very naive if I might say so.  Amaral would have observed both parents at an early stage, he had no need to 'meet' them, that was the job of his detectives and liaison officers.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #287 on: September 18, 2016, 12:12:23 PM »
Good post, Alfie.

It's the easiest thing in the world to accuse without basis or foundation: the hardest to stand up against those accusations when you know they are without basis or foundation.

Interminable 'debates' about whether they entered (or exited) the apartment (through 'front' door or 'back' door, when it isn't even clear, in context, which is 'front' or 'back') really clarify nothing.

On the contrary, it is very easy to accuse when things just don't add up.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Alfie

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #288 on: September 18, 2016, 12:14:21 PM »
On the contrary, it is very easy to accuse when things just don't add up.
Everything adds up, it's just that some people aren't very good at maths.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #289 on: September 18, 2016, 12:18:07 PM »
Perhaps that's because in England it is not considered the "done thing" to publicly challenge the innocence of individuals and accuse them via the media of hiding their child's body and setting up a fraudulent fund...?   Do you really think that when the McCanns appear on chat shows or Crimewatch in this country that their interviewers should start challenging their innocence and picking holes in their account of events, accusing them of smiling inappropriately, of  discrepancies in their account, etc - cross questioning them basically?  Would that be fair and justifiable in your view?  Whereas if an ex-cop appears on telly promoting a book in which he publicly accuses someone of a heinous crime why on earth WOULDN'T he be challenged by any interviewer worth their salt?   It is only his opinion and abilities as a writer / investigator that are being challenged, he's not being accused of a heinous crime against his own child!

I have given no opinion on which questions either party should have been asked or why neither party was challenged.

My point was that both party's gave their version to the media in their own country and neither was questioned or challenged.

As I don't know which party [if any] was giving the correct version, the outrage of one party seems to be a case of goose and gander.

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Alfie

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #290 on: September 18, 2016, 12:21:50 PM »
I have given no opinion on which questions either party should have been asked or why neither party was challenged.

My point was that both party's gave their version to the media in their own country and neither was questioned or challenged.

As I don't know which party [if any] was giving the correct version, the outrage of one party seems to be a case of goose and gander.
Firstly it may have escaped your notice that the McCanns had to endure months of media coverage questioning their version of events in their own country.  Secondly, one party has clearly been wronged, and therefore one party is clearly going to be justifiably outraged.  The only thing we differ on is which party has been wronged. 

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #291 on: September 18, 2016, 12:34:25 PM »
Perhaps that's because in England it is not considered the "done thing" to publicly challenge the innocence of individuals and accuse them via the media of hiding their child's body and setting up a fraudulent fund...?   Do you really think that when the McCanns appear on chat shows or Crimewatch in this country that their interviewers should start challenging their innocence and picking holes in their account of events, accusing them of smiling inappropriately, of  discrepancies in their account, etc - cross questioning them basically?  Would that be fair and justifiable in your view?  Whereas if an ex-cop appears on telly promoting a book in which he publicly accuses someone of a heinous crime why on earth WOULDN'T he be challenged by any interviewer worth their salt?   It is only his opinion and abilities as a writer / investigator that are being challenged, he's not being accused of a heinous crime against his own child!

As a principle that does not stand up to scrutiny. I doubt Chris Jeffries would agree with your statement. In fact au contra ire,  it is normal practice in the UK; the Brits love it.
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stephen25000

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Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #292 on: September 18, 2016, 12:43:26 PM »
LOL it's so easy for some to be sceptics.   Anything that doesn't suit - just question it's veracity.   Anything which does suit - then it's written in stone.

You can make a case against anyone about anything using those tactics.

Incidentally Amaral wasn't there either - and as he never once met or spoke to Kate - and only once briefly met Gerry -  then everything thereafter came to him second-hand -  and never from his own first hand personal experience of them.         A crucial point - but one which he studiously avoids mentioning in his book.     In fact quite the opposite impression is given to his readers both in his book and also in TV  interviews.   

From Kate's book:-

And so it was that on 11 December 2009 I first laid eyes on Sr. Goncalo Amaral.  It was also the first time he had laid eyes on me.    It is extraordinary  that could had said and written so many awful things about a person he had never met. 
unquote.

So you believe KM without question ?

What of KM's views on Amaral and other police officers ?

and we know about her temper....................

Offline G-Unit

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #293 on: September 18, 2016, 12:44:39 PM »
LOL it's so easy for some to be sceptics.   Anything that doesn't suit - just question it's veracity.   Anything which does suit - then it's written in stone.

You can make a case against anyone about anything using those tactics.


Incidentally Amaral wasn't there either - and as he never once met or spoke to Kate - and only once briefly met Gerry -  then everything thereafter came to him second-hand -  and never from his own first hand personal experience of them.         A crucial point - but one which he studiously avoids mentioning in his book.     In fact quite the opposite impression is given to his readers both in his book and also in TV  interviews.   

From Kate's book:-

And so it was that on 11 December 2009 I first laid eyes on Sr. Goncalo Amaral.  It was also the first time he had laid eyes on me.    It is extraordinary  that could had said and written so many awful things about a person he had never met. 
unquote.

LOL! It's equally easy to be a supporter. Anything that doesn't suit - just question it's veracity; statements which contradict the group's statements, interpreter's credentials and skills, amateur translator's motives, the nature of 'listening services', the integrity of a dog handler, the scents a cadaver dog alerts to, the nature of what constitutes 'neglect', the skills of Portuguese investigators.

Anything which does suit; certain parts of the otherwise unreliable files, reports showing unsuccessful work by cadaver dogs, the success of 'listening services' in other resorts, anything said by the arguidos, the superiority, integrity and skill of UK police forces is set in stone.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #294 on: September 18, 2016, 01:04:03 PM »
There are many aspects of this case which are concerning to say the least. The attempts to pervert the course of justice are well documented.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #295 on: September 18, 2016, 01:21:52 PM »
There are many aspects of this case which are concerning to say the least. The attempts to pervert the course of justice are well documented.
Could you give us an example please?
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Offline sadie

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #296 on: September 18, 2016, 01:22:55 PM »
Where's the evidence for all this ?
I have scores of pointers, but I cant share them, they are with SY

Offline sadie

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #297 on: September 18, 2016, 01:29:58 PM »
Is that Pedro Silva?

Yes, the real Pedro Silva, a truly wonderful guy.  I have met him twice

Beware of the imposter, who has taken, or naturally has, his name and is publishing truly awful things against The Mccanns.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #298 on: September 18, 2016, 01:30:49 PM »
Could you give us an example please?

Interference with witnesses and the Correia affair.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline sadie

Re: Pick any sentence from Kate's book.
« Reply #299 on: September 18, 2016, 01:32:36 PM »
There are many aspects of this case which are concerning to say the least. The attempts to pervert the course of justice are well documented.
Yes there are many attempts to pervert the Course of Justice and I, and other Maccann supporters, have well documented them.