What should the PJ have done differently?

[Brietta]

Not sure that that is always the case.

Yes, the purpose of televised reconstructions in the UK (and in some other countries) is normally an appeal to the public for further information.

In some cases, a reconstruction may serve to genuinely establish the circumstances of in which one or more people could not have been a culprit /victim. In several cases (wherever the crimes took place), such reconstructions have been conducted by experts and not televised until trial.

And... there are others, in which the police in certain countries invite the media to witness their "success" in resolving crimes with the alleged perps, often in shackles, re-enact what they either said that they had did or what the police told them to hypothetically demonstrate.

'This is how we killed them': Chilling moment two Burmese barmen showed how they beat British pair to death on Thai beach after confessing to rape and murder following DNA match

Police lieutenant general Decha Butrnamphech said: ‘I am very satisfied with the investigation.’ Two years ago Thai police said they would stop public reconstructions of crimes using alleged perpetrators after complaints that they prejudiced trials – but they resumed after a few months. The reconstruction follows weeks of pressure on police to find the murderers of the British backpackers.
There has also been growing criticism over the standard of the investigation, from not sealing off the crime scene quickly enough to letting potential suspects leave the island.
Migrant workers, particularly from neighbouring Myanmar, have been used as scapegoats for crimes in Thailand.

A murder suspect identified only as 'Win' is brought before gathered media at today's press conference

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2779106/Thai-police-confirm-DNA-samples-taken-Koh-Tao-murder-victims-match-two-Burmese-workers-confessed-killing-British-pair.html#ixzz4LTRZdzrQ

This reenactment appears very prejudicial when one bears in mind they hadn't yet been tried for the alleged murders they were accused of having committed.

KOH TAO MURDERS - CONFESSIONS WITHDRAWN TORTURE COMPLAINTS CONFIRMED
Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4
INTERPRETER WAS A PANCAKE SALESMEN WHO TOOK VICTIM'S CASH - AND NOW THAI POLICE CASE RESTS ON 'SUSPECT' DNA.

Following the complete retraction of the confessions of their suspects and detailed reports of torture under interrogation assisted by a translator whose real job was selling banana and Nutella pancakes, the Royal Thai Police were left last night with uncorroborated DNA to bring to trial two migrant workers for the backpacker murders on Koh Tao.

Win Zaw Thun and Zaw Lin today emphatically denied being involved in the murders of Hannah Witheridge, 23, and David Miller, during a five hour visit, said human rights lawyer Rassada Manurassada
http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2014/10/koh-tao-murders-confessions-withdrawn.html

The above example and the example of the Cipriano reconstitution are not an especially auspicious advertisement for the practice which seems to be aimed at information gathering, not for the purpose of solving the case but to ease the prosecution of suspects.

Rebelo had not built any bridges with the Tapas seven or Jez Wilkins on his visit to Britain.  Perhaps he and the Portuguese prosecutors should have given more consideration to the witnesses who had very real concerns for the treatment of Madeleine's parents and their own safety which first hand experience of the PJ had given them.
Some concessions and firm guarantees given could have secured their attendance ... then again, was it ever the intention to conduct a reconstitution in the first place?

[Brietta]

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At the end of June, the first cloud appeared. A Portuguese journalist called Jes's mobile (he had left his number with the Portuguese police). The journalist, who was writing for a magazine called Sol, called Jes incessantly. We both work in television and cannot claim to be green about the media, but this was a new experience. Jes learned this the hard way. Torn between politeness and wanting to get the journalist off the line without actually saying anything, he had to put the phone down, but he had already said too much. Her article pitched the recollections of "Jeremy Wilkins, television producer" against those of the "Tapas Nine", the group of friends, including the McCanns, whom we had nicknamed the Doctors. The piece was published at the end of June. Throughout July, Sol's testimony meant Jes became incorporated into all the Madeleine chronologies. More clouds began to gather - this time above our house.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

One of the things the PJ should have done differently was to have run a tighter ship when it came to leaking witness details to the press which included their phone numbers.

[G-Unit]

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At the end of June, the first cloud appeared. A Portuguese journalist called Jes's mobile (he had left his number with the Portuguese police). The journalist, who was writing for a magazine called Sol, called Jes incessantly. We both work in television and cannot claim to be green about the media, but this was a new experience. Jes learned this the hard way. Torn between politeness and wanting to get the journalist off the line without actually saying anything, he had to put the phone down, but he had already said too much. Her article pitched the recollections of "Jeremy Wilkins, television producer" against those of the "Tapas Nine", the group of friends, including the McCanns, whom we had nicknamed the Doctors. The piece was published at the end of June. Throughout July, Sol's testimony meant Jes became incorporated into all the Madeleine chronologies. More clouds began to gather - this time above our house.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

One of the things the PJ should have done differently was to have run a tighter ship when it came to leaking witness details to the press which included their phone numbers.

Sol weren't the only ones who had phone numbers;

5th November 2007

Several weeks later, Jeremy received calls from Gerry in relation to gaining permission from him to use his name in a portfolio of evidence being compiled by an organization employed by the McCanns. They were very persistent and made several attempts to contact him both at work and at home. They had no objection to being included but were concerned as to the method being used.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

[Robittybob1]

Sol weren't the only ones who had phone numbers;

5th November 2007

Several weeks later, Jeremy received calls from Gerry in relation to gaining permission from him to use his name in a portfolio of evidence being compiled by an organization employed by the McCanns. They were very persistent and made several attempts to contact him both at work and at home. They had no objection to being included but were concerned as to the method being used.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

You'd wonder why they were reluctant.

[Brietta]

You'd wonder why they were reluctant.

Perhaps they wondered why the McCanns found it necessary to use private investigators.

[Brietta]

Please note ... the thread topic is ... What should the PJ have done differently?

[ShiningInLuz]

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At the end of June, the first cloud appeared. A Portuguese journalist called Jes's mobile (he had left his number with the Portuguese police). The journalist, who was writing for a magazine called Sol, called Jes incessantly. We both work in television and cannot claim to be green about the media, but this was a new experience. Jes learned this the hard way. Torn between politeness and wanting to get the journalist off the line without actually saying anything, he had to put the phone down, but he had already said too much. Her article pitched the recollections of "Jeremy Wilkins, television producer" against those of the "Tapas Nine", the group of friends, including the McCanns, whom we had nicknamed the Doctors. The piece was published at the end of June. Throughout July, Sol's testimony meant Jes became incorporated into all the Madeleine chronologies. More clouds began to gather - this time above our house.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

One of the things the PJ should have done differently was to have run a tighter ship when it came to leaking witness details to the press which included their phone numbers.

It's somewhat of an assumption that the original source was the PJ.

I currently have a UK journalist attempting to contact me and if my true personal details (name, location, phone number) appear anywhere, I am not aware of it.  However, I'm confident it's not a PJ or SY leak.

[Angelo222]

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At the end of June, the first cloud appeared. A Portuguese journalist called Jes's mobile (he had left his number with the Portuguese police). The journalist, who was writing for a magazine called Sol, called Jes incessantly. We both work in television and cannot claim to be green about the media, but this was a new experience. Jes learned this the hard way. Torn between politeness and wanting to get the journalist off the line without actually saying anything, he had to put the phone down, but he had already said too much. Her article pitched the recollections of "Jeremy Wilkins, television producer" against those of the "Tapas Nine", the group of friends, including the McCanns, whom we had nicknamed the Doctors. The piece was published at the end of June. Throughout July, Sol's testimony meant Jes became incorporated into all the Madeleine chronologies. More clouds began to gather - this time above our house.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

One of the things the PJ should have done differently was to have run a tighter ship when it came to leaking witness details to the press which included their phone numbers.

I think it is all part of policing in Portugal.  The police and the press are continually rubbing each others backs.

[Brietta]

I think it is all part of policing in Portugal.  The police and the press are continually rubbing each others backs.

Then it is driving a coach and horses through the 'very strict' Portuguese Judicial Secrecy laws if the police have a conduit to releasing unattributed publicity of their choice, with everyone knowing exactly the source.
Particularly if the target of the misinformation or propaganda is denied a response on pain of breaking the secrecy law.

[Angelo222]

Then it is driving a coach and horses through the 'very strict' Portuguese Judicial Secrecy laws if the police have a conduit to releasing unattributed publicity of their choice, with everyone knowing exactly the source.
Particularly if the target of the misinformation or propaganda is denied a response on pain of breaking the secrecy law.

In Portugal like so many places, police have secret links with the Press.  A recent example in England saw the BBC arrive at Cliff Richards mansion even before the police arrived to search it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36757230

[ferryman]

In Portugal like so many places, police have secret links with the Press.  A recent example in England saw the BBC arrive at Cliff Richards mansion even before the police arrived to search it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36757230

Certainly the Cliff Richard saga illustrates that English police are far from immune to (just!) criticism ...

[Robittybob1]

Amy Tierney is an OC employee and Silvia Batista is an OC manager (and I believe has a financial interest in OC through her husband) yet the PJ allow Silvia to be an interpreter when Amy is making a statement. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY-1.htm  17 APRIL 08

This is obviously a conflict of interest situation where Amy might feel reluctant to "tell all" with Silvia being so aware of what she is saying.
I found this situation so potentially corrupt that I'm going to pass this post onto SY for consideration.
(Already got a nice reply : "Operation.Grange@met.pnn.police.uk
4:04 PM (0 minutes ago)

to me
 
Many thanks for taking the time to contact the Operation Grange mailbox.
Your email will be read by one of the officers on the enquiry team. You will appreciate that we receive a large volume of emails as part of this enquiry and as a result you may not necessarily receive any further contact from us. If, however we need to contact you further, an officer will be in touch in due course."

[ShiningInLuz]

Amy Tierney is an OC employee and Silvia Batista is an OC manager (and I believe has a financial interest in OC through her husband) yet the PJ allow Silvia to be an interpreter when Amy is making a statement. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY-1.htm  17 APRIL 08

This is obviously a conflict of interest situation where Amy might feel reluctant to "tell all" with Silvia being so aware of what she is saying.
I found this situation so potentially corrupt that I'm going to pass this post onto SY for consideration.
(Already got a nice reply : "Operation.Grange@met.pnn.police.uk
4:04 PM (0 minutes ago)

to me
 
Many thanks for taking the time to contact the Operation Grange mailbox.
Your email will be read by one of the officers on the enquiry team. You will appreciate that we receive a large volume of emails as part of this enquiry and as a result you may not necessarily receive any further contact from us. If, however we need to contact you further, an officer will be in touch in due course."

First, the reply is the standard automated reply that anyone and everyone using this email address gets.  You could send them "THIS IS A TEST. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY." and you will get exactly the same automated reply.

Second, Silvia Batista was interviewed by OG in Dec 2014.  Perhaps this has been covered off already?

[Robittybob1]

First, the reply is the standard automated reply that anyone and everyone using this email address gets.  You could send them "THIS IS A TEST. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY." and you will get exactly the same automated reply.

Second, Silvia Batista was interviewed by OG in Dec 2014.  Perhaps this has been covered off already?

Without the vital clues SY could reinterview over and over again, it won't make any difference. Just an idea, just a silly question, but did Silvia go and ask Robert M to help her with the translating?

[Robittybob1]

I just can't accept the role Silvia Batista played in influencing Goncalo (I presume) was lawful.  It was definitely borderline.